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Fodera Club Part V

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#41
thepontif said:
Nuances is an understatement. I've done the experiment and can tell you it's a HUGE difference moving from 60's to 70's. It totally changes the character of the bass. Not so much when soloing the bridge PU, but when both pups are on. Particularly when you're slapping. It's really, really evident. Even going from 2 1/2 to 2 3/8 is noticeable, though much, much more subtle until you really know the sound of your bass. Less than that is not discernable to my ear. Maybe it is to some. This is why I chose to have detents 1/8" apart...I don't see a need for anything finer. Thing is with this stuff, the changes are pretty much the same for every 34" scale bass. All the harmonics are in the same places on every 34" scale bass (save discrepancies do to string height/intonation adjustment). So within the context of a single bass, you can fairly reasonably predict what the difference will be when you change from one position to another.

There is a distinct possibility that this will ultimately be available aftermarket. Almost certainly for Fodera Basses at least. I'd like to see it become a readily available option for any Fodera and any pickup. At the moment we've only done one for the P4 sized (4 string, 5 string or narrow 6 string) dual coil, but it can be done for J bass pups or whatever...even wood cases could be done. It'll come down to what's practical.
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+1 for minor changes in pup position ..makes a huge difference (to my ear) and even more so while slapping.

Mike, I wanted to ask you to clarify a post you wrote in the last thread (post 796 in case you wanted to look but really dont have to). It has some relevance to my upcoming Fodera order.

In effect, if I'm reading right, were you explaining that placing dual coils in the typical 70s Jazz position (outer coils ) will not automatically put the bridge inner coil in the correct position for 60s placement? Did I misunderstand? If thats true, if you put the bridge dual (again outer coil in the 70s placement) in humbucking, then would the "pup placement" shift to 60s? (right in between both coils on the bridge dual).

Another question relating to that; do the three dual coil pup manufacturers for Fodera have the same distance between pole pieces going from the inner coil to the outer coil on any given string?

Thanks!
Mitch
 
#42
basses55 said:
+1 for minor changes in pup position ..makes a huge difference (to my ear) and even more so while slapping.

Mike, I wanted to ask you to clarify a post you wrote in the last thread (post 796 in case you wanted to look but really dont have to). It has some relevance to my upcoming Fodera order.

In effect, if I'm reading right, were you explaining that placing dual coils in the typical 70s Jazz position (outer coils ) will not automatically put the bridge inner coil in the correct position for 60s placement? Did I misunderstand? If thats true, if you put the bridge dual (again outer coil in the 70s placement) in humbucking, then would the "pup placement" shift to 60s? (right in between both coils on the bridge dual).

Another question relating to that; do the three dual coil pup manufacturers for Fodera have the same distance between pole pieces going from the inner coil to the outer coil on any given string?

Thanks!
Mitch
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Hey Mitch, sorry you asked this before at some point and I forgot to get back to you...

The coils on the duals are 5/8" apart. So with the outer coil at 2 1/8", the inner is at 2 3/4" which is tonally huge. Putting the bridge PU in humbucking moves the effective center of the pup 5/16" which puts it at 2 7/16" which is very near 2 1/2", but the fact that the bridge pup is in humbucking TOTALLY mitigates the fact that it's centered in that spot. The sound is not even remotely the same as having an actual coil at that particular spot.

The other factor is that in order for the inner coil of the dual to make a humbucker with the outer of that pup, it has to be wound like a neck pup...reverse and upside-down, basically...so if you use that coil as the bridge coil, you have to be using the inner coil of the neck pup too or it won't hum cancel.

Running the bridge pup humbucking and the neck single will leave the neck pup without anything to cancel it's hum...so you'll have noise.

As to the pup dimensions...to my knowledge, all the duals they use have the coils the same distance apart except for some that are made in DC40 shells (or maybe DC35?) but I'm not the finial authority on that.
 
#44
I'll let you know. It'll be before the end of the year, I'm sure. John sounds absolutely great on it. I got a good dose of his good energy while he was here. We haven't spent any time together in years so it was fun to get to hang out. My wife and kids, my brothers and I took him out for Japanese food and had a really good time. He's really a beautiful human being. And MAN, does he know what he's doing!
 
#49
pringlw said:
Well I finally bit the bullet. I've had a NYC 5 string with a custom Mike Pope pre-amp for about a year now. Though it's an entry level Fodera I still fell in love with the sound and the feel. I told Jason (who I bought it from) that I'd be back one day to order a custom.

The day has arrived. I ordered a production slot through Bass Central for a Victor Wooten Ying Yang Monarch 4 due to arrive in May 2011. I guess I got lucky because that's a pretty short wait in the grand scheme of things, but I'm still going to be in agony waiting.

Arrgh.

(back to playing my NYC):bassist:
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Fantastic. What top woods did you order for the yin-yang?
 
#51
Munjibunga said:
Fantastic. What top woods did you order for the yin-yang?
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Purple Heart & Pau Amarillo. Should look just like this one;

yinyang1.jpg


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I'm starting to realize that the NYC series is kind of like cheap drugs for a junkie. Just enough to get you started.... I may as well jump to the end game and order a AJ Presentation model now :D
 
#52
thepontif said:
Nuances is an understatement. I've done the experiment and can tell you it's a HUGE difference moving from 60's to 70's.
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Yep actually i did'nt was against your statement ,
i would'nt have written " it was a though decision between the 2" ,and would'nt bother asking the whole.

I should have mention "color" or something better ,being foreigner i can make that sort of big mistakes ,my apologies.

Just did'nt see anyone else asking about it, and i i did find really interesting.
For the aesthetics ,like wires on surface or hole between cavity and pickups ,i guess the pics will be better than hundred words and the unnecessary bother for you.

Out of that matter ,i 've liked your solution for partial removable fretboard (i had also a pic of that ),
had curiosity and question about that too ,maybe already answered , i will research better .

Thanks a lot,
your bass gonna be really cool ,
it truly integrates many nice ideas^
 
#53
Hi gang. Wow Mike, doing some heavy lifting on PUP positions -- thanks!!

A bunch of posts back someone asked about a bridge that was on a Walnut Burl topped bass...that was a one off bridge plated in silver!

Please don't ask...it was cost prohibitive then and today, would be flat out insane!!!

P.S. The Bass Player Live event was a LOT of fun. Joey and I got to meet some great people, hang with a bunch of old friends and Vic fell in love with a Monarch with Duncan Dual Coils in it...
 
#55
alexlotta said:
Yep actually i did'nt was against your statement ,
i would'nt have written " it was a though decision between the 2" ,and would'nt bother asking the whole.

I should have mention "color" or something better ,being foreigner i can make that sort of big mistakes ,my apologies.

Just did'nt see anyone else asking about it, and i i did find really interesting.
For the aesthetics ,like wires on surface or hole between cavity and pickups ,i guess the pics will be better than hundred words and the unnecessary bother for you.
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Yes, I understood you. It's all good :)


alexlotta said:
Out of that matter ,i 've liked your solution for partial removable fretboard (i had also a pic of that ),
had curiosity and question about that too ,maybe already answered , i will research better .
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Ask away.

alexlotta said:
Thanks a lot,
your bass gonna be really cool ,
it truly integrates many nice ideas^
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#57
Just Thumpin' said:
We no longer are offering the New Standard...essentially they were the same thing as a Monarch Bolt-on with a standard top in terms of pricing.

They have been removed from the new website which is ready to go live any day! We are just waiting on some final integration between the site host and FedEx...
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Really looking forward to the new site... yea.....
 
#58
Just Thumpin' said:
Hi gang. Wow Mike, doing some heavy lifting on PUP positions -- thanks!!

A bunch of posts back someone asked about a bridge that was on a Walnut Burl topped bass...that was a one off bridge plated in silver!

Please don't ask...it was cost prohibitive then and today, would be flat out insane!!!

P.S. The Bass Player Live event was a LOT of fun. Joey and I got to meet some great people, hang with a bunch of old friends and Vic fell in love with a Monarch with Duncan Dual Coils in it...
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Sounds like you had a blast... Yea Vic... that is cool
 
#59
thepontif said:
Hey Mitch, sorry you asked this before at some point and I forgot to get back to you...

The coils on the duals are 5/8" apart. So with the outer coil at 2 1/8", the inner is at 2 3/4" which is tonally huge. Putting the bridge PU in humbucking moves the effective center of the pup 5/16" which puts it at 2 7/16" which is very near 2 1/2", but the fact that the bridge pup is in humbucking TOTALLY mitigates the fact that it's centered in that spot. The sound is not even remotely the same as having an actual coil at that particular spot.

The other factor is that in order for the inner coil of the dual to make a humbucker with the outer of that pup, it has to be wound like a neck pup...reverse and upside-down, basically...so if you use that coil as the bridge coil, you have to be using the inner coil of the neck pup too or it won't hum cancel.

Running the bridge pup humbucking and the neck single will leave the neck pup without anything to cancel it's hum...so you'll have noise.

As to the pup dimensions...to my knowledge, all the duals they use have the coils the same distance apart except for some that are made in DC40 shells (or maybe DC35?) but I'm not the finial authority on that.
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Understand.....thanks for the reply!
M
 
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