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Fodera or Sadowsky

Sadowsky or fodera

  • Sadowsky

    Votes: 147 62.3%
  • Fodera

    Votes: 89 37.7%

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Not good investments for resale value? Or not good investments for finally getting the bass you want, instead of repeatedly buying the basses you just settle on and have lost countless hard earned dollars over? The latter is a wise investment choice in my experience. I've sold so many guitars and basses over the years that could have summed up to a few great "keepers". It took a long time for me to grasp what I was doing. Which was essentially blowing my cash away. < That's not a good investment.

"Investment" is tricky. I've also been down this road, albeit almost exclusively with used basses, so as not to take the depreciation hit if things don't work out. I now have a main player that I bought new (a Carl Pedigo build, per my avatar), but I probably went through 50 basses over 10 years, during which I learned what I needed to in order to know what works best for me. This included sorting out whether to play 4 or 5 string, and once down the 5-string rabbit hole, preferences in ergonomics (body shape, neck shape and width), string spacing (I've learned I'm a 19mm kind of guy), scale length (I can do 35" but usually prefer the sound and feel of a 34" G string), fingerboard (rosewood on my main player for pragmatism in folklorical and and rock contexts, but I'll always love ebony when centered pitch and a quick attack, as in a soloistic jazz situation, are key) and body wood (love alder, really love mahogany, but have ended up as a light ash kind of guy - who knew), number of frets (have found 22 to be my sweet spot, although I miss those last two for soloing), type of frets (vintage is my jam), electronics (not a J-type guy), and hardware (tuners and bridges can make a big difference in operational ease, and bridges certainly affect tone). My Pedigo reflects the sum total of a lot of thinking and learning about what works best for me.

But of all of these incremental steps, the single most important was when I took the plunge from mid-priced basses to a used Sadowsky Metro 5-24. It was a huge revelation in the way of tonal flexibility, clarity (superb B-string), playability and overall quality, and I realized that good boutique instruments really are superior tools. I went through 5-6 different Sadowskys, one new, the others used, all in a range of styles, and realized that for me the 5-24 was the best of them, although I'd love to live with a Will Lee 5 with soapbars at some point, which comes closer to my Pedigo build.

So on a few instruments I lost money. On most, I broke even. On a select few that I was able to buy for a song, I made some money, but nothing dramatic. Meanwhile, I learned a huge amount about the range of voices available, and the importance of ergonomics in being able to realize the sound that you want as you find a bass that fits you rather than fights you. I now have a small group of keepers that I would not have been able to identify without all of that trial and error, and I know a whole lot more about basses and their construction than I did at the beginning of this exercise. So on a money basis this experience, including shipping costs, probably reflects a modest loss, but on a knowledge basis, it's been hugely successful, and I would not have my "keepers" without going through this cycle.

My priorities and choices are necessarily subjective, but one thing that is objective and undeniable - any Sadowsky is an extremely well-built instrument that reflects a "constant quality improvement" orientation, and is a superb tool. I've heard some folks question certain Fodera design choices from a mechanical view, but based on what I've heard from the sound of these axes, and a short custodianship of one, the Foderas are also excellent tools and the cost is justifiable if you are chasing those sounds.

Last observation - it does not look like enough folks have been exposed to the Sadowsky 5-24, which is capable of some Fenderish tones, particularly with the neck pickup strongly favored, but otherwise is very much it's own beast, with a superb B-string. Arguably the 5-24 and Modulus Q5 set a standard for uniform timbre from low B to high G, and for high-fret usability of the B-string, that is in a class of its own. Which, of course, introduces the question of whether there are other builders in the Sadowsky and Fodera class - there are, but very few that can match Sadowsky and Fodera for ultimate quality and utility, demonstrable over a long history of high-end professional use.

EDIT -- Alembic. Been there from the beginning, and still doing it. To paraphrase Richard Thompson: "Now Nordys and Mike Lulls and Allevas won't do - they haven't got the soul of an Alembic '72…" And Tobias/MTD. Mike Tobias and Alembic both have the product and track record to be in the same league as Fodera and Sadowsky. Yeah, I guess Stuart Spector and Ken Smith as well. Clearly a group that has experience and longevity going for it…other, younger makers may also be in this league for quality, but the classics are classics for a reason - they are great, and they have stood the test of time.
 
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To me Sadowskys are a great side-man bass. Fodera's can be designed for that purpose but I feel they are more of a connect to your inner voice type instrument.

^^^This has definitely been my experience too. Not that either instrument can't crossover easily...but as a gross generalization, if your main gigs are ones where you're getting hired because they need A Bass Player® and you happen to fit that bill, get a Sadowsky...whereas if your main gigs are ones where you're getting hired because they want you, get a Fodera. (Or any other bass that allows your individuality to really shine and speak. Like a Sadowsky. :) )
 
On a much smaller scale I did this years ago in my local driving distance area looking for my 1st 5er. Ended up with this used strange shaped Bubinga J-type with a "W" on top. Never heard of the brand before I bought it ... thought it was Washburn or something ... and it's still my favorite playing 5er. Tough to close ur eyes and ignore brand ... but fun if you can let it happen.

I know - we get so caught up in our preconceived notions about what is a "great" bass.

It's the one YOU think is great.

That is all......
 
Buy a used Metro, and then get a custom Fodera. The Metros are really close to the NYC lately. Especially now that they have carbon reinforcement in the neck. (after Autum 2015). Custom ordering and Tone chambers is probably the only main difference.

If you still have cash to burn get Sadowsky Tokyo. They are on par with NYC, only a few thousand dollars cheaper.
More like "hundreds" cheaper, unless NYC Sadowsky's have recently become way more expensive! My NYC Standard J5 and Modern 5 were both under $5K.
 
I can't imagine too many gigs you couldn't take a Sadowsky on...the Fodera is more specialized in tone, but it has more versatility than some people think...it's not all about playing jazz..Marc Kelly plays a Fodera with The Roots on Fallon and at most live shows nowadays and they play a bit of everything at times and that bass serves him well...so many options not being considered for whatever reason, but between the two, I'd probably go Sadowsky if the OP gigs heavy in different genres..again, hard to go wrong with a well made clone..if it's for occasional gigs like church I'd probably go Fodera...
Mike Merritt of the Conan band also made the switch from Sadowsky to Fodera. I think the Basic Cable Band covers a lot of musical styles too. I happen to own both brands and they're both great basses. The Sadowsky might be a bit more suited for the OP's needs as being to fit in almost any style of music.
As far as price, the new Fodera Standards are comparable with the Sadowsky NYCs and they (the Standards) are amazing basses. But now Sadowsky has the NYC built line of Satin basses that challenge the Metros price wise. For $300-400 more you can get a NY made, chambered body bass weighing 1 1/2-2 lbs less than the Metros.
 
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More like "hundreds" cheaper, unless NYC Sadowsky's have recently become way more expensive! My NYC Standard J5 and Modern 5 were both under $5K.


dang!! I think I might just have to take a trip to NYC!!! Those things cost a bundle in Japan. Sadowsky Modern Edge 5 is about 4.5 grands. NYC is 6 and up. But then again, the top wood configuration could be different....
 
Mike Merritt of the Conan band also made the switch from Sadowsky to Fodera. I think the Basic Cable Band covers a lot of musical styles too. I happen to own both brands and they're both great basses. The Sadowsky might be a bit more suited for the OP's needs as being to fit in almost any style of music.
As far as price, the new Fodera Standards are comparable with the Sadowsky NYCs and they (the Standards) are amazing basses. But now Sadowsky has the NYC built line of Satin basses that challenge the Metros price wise. For $300-400 more you can get a NY made, chambered body bass weighing 1 1/2-2 lbs less than the Metros.


Yeah... but the standards aren't boutique enough. LOL
 
. But to me a Sadowsky has a certain tone. Call it what you will, some call it a
Fender on steroids, whatever. Point is that it has a certain sound. The bass player for a local big band got a new bass and I walked in the room and didn't even see him or the bass, just heard the band and I said "Sadowsky"! To me I'm not so fond of it.

I've bought a brand new Sadowsky MV5 like 3 weeks ago, and I don't feel that you are strictly limited to "that signature tone" (mainly given by blend pot at center detent in active mode, with a slight bass and/or treble boost maybe).
I did a blind test with some people on another forum and I asked to guess which bass was being played in this sample:
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Like 80% of the people said that it was a Pbass of some sort... (I was playing in active mode nonetheless)
 
If you need to ask on a forum, then just flip a coin. A very expensive coin - like a $5000 collectable gold coin or something.
Or, as others have advised, play a few of each. Your needs, likes, and abilities are yours, not mine or anyone else's. Neither of these beautiful basses (or Alembic, Zon, Pedulla, MTD, etc etc and etc) are objectively "better" or "worse" - the question is (at least to me) is simply "which do I prefer?"
 
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Mike Merritt of the Conan band also made the switch from Sadowsky to Fodera. I think the Basic Cable Band covers a lot of musical styles too. I happen to own both brands and they're both great basses. The Sadowsky might be a bit more suited for the OP's needs as being to fit in almost any style of music.
As far as price, the new Fodera Standards are comparable with the Sadowsky NYCs and they (the Standards) are amazing basses. But now Sadowsky has the NYC built line of Satin basses that challenge the Metros price wise. For $300-400 more you can get a NY made, chambered body bass weighing 1 1/2-2 lbs less than the Metros.

On the DVD of Rock Candy Funk Party's show at the Iridium in NYC, Mike was using both a Sadowsky and a Fodera on different tunes.

Just wanted to repeat something from earlier in the thread: the OP might want to buy it or find some clips from that DVD, to compare the tone of the two basses. Same player, same band, same mix--the only variable is the bass. To my ears, the difference in the voices of the basses is pretty noticeable.
 
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