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why are Christians so often singled out as being bigots? I wasnt aware that you had to subscribe to (or not subscribe to) a certain religion to be intolerant

::ahem:: If I may....

Matty won't be around these parts as much as he used to, so I just wanted to say something here just in case he doesn't come back to this thread. While I disagree with about 35% of everything he posts, I do consider him a friend and wouldn't want him to be misrepresented.

So anyways...I think Matticus is referring to those who use the Bible as a way to express their bigotry, and as a way to publicly dehumanize people. And as far as this particular issue goes (gay rights) there are a lot of them at the forefront whenever this issue comes up.

There aren't very many people who come out against gay marriage and the like who don't use the Bible as their basis
 
::ahem:: If I may....

Matty won't be around these parts as much as he used to, so I just wanted to say something here just in case he doesn't come back to this thread. While I disagree with about 35% of everything he posts, I do consider him a friend and wouldn't want him to be misrepresented.

So anyways...I think Matticus is referring to those who use the Bible as a way to express their bigotry, and as a way to publicly dehumanize people. And as far as this particular issue goes (gay rights) there are a lot of them at the forefront whenever this issue comes up.

There aren't very many people who come out against gay marriage and the like who don't use the Bible as their basis

he cleared up later in the thread that what you have said is what he meant. my problem is not with him personally. i dont even have an affinity towards any religion or lack of religion for that matter, but the fact that Christians are generalized and demonized like that so often. its the old standby

and yet you look around nearly anywhere, but we'll use talkbass as an example and you see Christianity being looked down on and made fun of at a pretty steady rate. just try to find someone using that GD swearword and it goes unreported. I cant even begin to count the number of Raptor Jesus, or Jesus walking among dinosaur pictures that have turned up and are smiled upon by the general population. Shouldn't the overly proud bigots be knocking down your IP addresses with torches and pitchforks?

I'm sorry to the OP for derailing. My cousin is transgender and she really appreciates the support of her family and friends and would have a hard time going through what she is going through with out it.
 
he cleared up later in the thread that what you have said is what he meant. my problem is not with him personally. i dont even have an affinity towards any religion or lack of religion for that matter, but the fact that Christians are generalized and demonized like that so often. its the old standby

and yet you look around nearly anywhere, but we'll use talkbass as an example and you see Christianity being looked down on and made fun of at a pretty steady rate. just try to find someone using that GD swearword and it goes unreported. I cant even begin to count the number of Raptor Jesus, or Jesus walking among dinosaur pictures that have turned up and are smiled upon by the general population. Shouldn't the overly proud bigots be knocking down your IP addresses with torches and pitchforks?

I'm sorry to the OP for derailing. My cousin is transgender and she really appreciates the support of her family and friends and would have a hard time going through what she is going through with out it.

Oh, I see your point. Sorry. I don't see your post as derailing; but if so, I'm sorry too, MIJ.

FTR, as a Christian, I find the raptor Jesus stuff hilarious, but I won't go into why I think it's funny whereas a lot of Jesus guys would think it's atrocious
 
FTR I perceive a HUGE distinction between those wilfully ignorant and hateful hypocrites who abuse the essence of their religion of choice by cherry-picking through it for political ammo, and those humbly enlightened & sincere students of the Almighty who understand that how we humans choose treat one another forms the truest expression of our professed beliefs.
 
I've always assumed it was Kieifer Sutherland, but now you've got me doubting myself :hmm:

Really? Lemme see...

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'Not the best shot for comparison, but... :)
 
MIJ-VI, as a United Methodist minister and an ally I would like to thank you for standing up for GLBTQ persons.

Here is a resource for GLBTQ persons and allies who might be looking for a church: http://www.rmnetwork.org/.

Peace,

John
Open hearts. Open minds. Open doors.

Hear! Hear!

For some whose lives are in chaos faith offers the comfort of structure akin to familiar chord changes inspiring harmony in a world of vexing dissonance.

The OP has been amended.

Thanks John! :cool:
 
To foster connections, gay congressional staffers think Pink Hill Mafia

"The Hill is a very gay place," said Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), an openly gay member of Congress whose desk is covered in pictures of himself and his partner. "A large percentage of the staffers on the Hill are gay, on both sides of the aisle."
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PM backs new parliamentary gay network

The prime minister has welcomed the formation of a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender support network in Parliament.

Staff have created the group, called ParliOut, in line with the best practice of other leading employers.

The network will provide a forum for providing mutual support and discussing issues.

A mentoring programme will also be developed in the New Year.

Mr Speaker will be President of the LGBT network.

David Cameron has welcomed its formation.

"When I launched Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equality at 10 Downing Street soon after the election, I made clear the government's commitments to tackling LGB and T discrimination in the workplace, and improving participation in civil society," the prime minsiter said.

"Britain has seen rapid progress towards LGB and T equality over recent years

"It is important that this progress is also reflected in Parliament, where we now have more openly 'out' gay and lesbian MPs than ever before..."
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I'd expect that closeted, political hypocrisies are occurring in many countries...​

I'm gay and fed up with living a lie, says Tory MP who voted against equal rights for homosexuals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gel-Evans-voted-equal-rights-homosexuals.html

Former right-wing gay Republican confesses GOP uses gays ‘to gin up their base’
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Top 10 Anti-Gay Activists Caught Being Gay
http://nuffy.net/articles/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay.html

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Why did Professor George Alan Rekers (an anti-gay activist who cofounded the right-wing Family Research Council with James Dobson, and runs the website Teen Sex Today) hire a young male escort from RentBoy.com to accompany him on a trip to Europe?

His answer: “I had surgery and I can’t lift luggage. That’s why I hired him.”...

Now kids, I've posted these ^ in particular as a reminder that some some loud bigots in the public eye who bray that queers are sick perverts etc are actually closeted gays who've been raised while relentlessly hearing that what they are, how they feel, and who they love is wrong, wrong, wrong.., to the point where they start believing it and act accordingly.

I genuinely feel sorry for anyone so severely conflicted about their sexual self-identity that they choose to harm others. Such individuals are also victims of the prevalent - but gradually diminishing - hatred against LGBT'ers.

IME str8s who are cool with someone being gay are also cool with different people in general. Why? Because they're cool with themselves. They understand and like who they are and thus do not feel threatened by someone else's differences.

"Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack."
- George S. Patton
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Translation: The husband of the deputy opposition to equal marriage runs a chain of hotels "gay friendly"

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If you're an adult who can fend for him/herself then come out, come out whoever you are! :)
 
"Welcome to the Q Hall of Fame Canada, a national resource dedicated to house and commemorate the diverse history of the Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgendered Community. We honour those that have been human rights pioneers and document the accomplishments and lives of these amazing people."
 
and yet you look around nearly anywhere, but we'll use talkbass as an example and you see Christianity being looked down on and made fun of at a pretty steady rate. just try to find someone using that GD swearword and it goes unreported. I cant even begin to count the number of Raptor Jesus, or Jesus walking among dinosaur pictures that have turned up and are smiled upon by the general population. Shouldn't the overly proud bigots be knocking down your IP addresses with torches and pitchforks?

Rantstart:

God damn is not a swearword, goddammit. Taking the lords name in vein does NOT mean using god or jesus as an expletive. It means swearing TO god on something, IE: I swear to god I will pay you back this money at the end of the month, with no intention to hold through. You are using god's name as a bargaining chip. using it as an expletive is totally different and NOT applicable.

Also: I would like to point out something said by the great rabbi hillel "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."

This is the only important part of any religion. The rest is mythological mumbo jumbo that is mostly lies and sometimes moralistic fables. This is what Jesus was trying to say. Don't be a dick, dont do things you wouldn't want done to you.
 
Gay advocates win victory at UN

By ANITA SNOW
The Associated Press
Tuesday, December 21, 2010; 9:00 PM


UNITED NATIONS -- Gay rights advocates scored a hard-fought victory at the U.N. on Tuesday when member states restored a reference to sexual orientation, dropped last month from a resolution opposing the unjustified killing of minority groups.

The removal of the reference, at the urging of African and Arab countries last month, alarmed human rights advocates who said gay people are among minority groups that need special protection from extrajudicial and other unjustified slayings. U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice at the time said she was "incensed" by the change and announced she would sponsor the measure to restore the language.

The battle underscores the divide between U.N. members with their diverse religious and cultural sensibilities on gay rights issues and sparked something of a culture war at the international body.

Belgium, Finland and other Western nations spoke in favor of including sexual orientation. A coalition of African countries said it was "greatly alarmed" that the direct reference to sexual orientation was included, and called it an attempt "to create new rights, new standards or new groups."

Boris Dittrich, director of the gay rights program at Human Rights Watch, said he was "relieved" by the vote, and credited Rice with introducing the new amendment.

"The resolution does justice to gays, lesbians and transgender people in countries where they are targeted for assaults and killings," Dittrich said. "Hate crimes on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity must be countered just like hate crimes on the basis of race or religion."

Mark Bromley, of the Washington-based Council for Global Equality, called the vote "an important victory."

Rights groups worked ahead of the vote to lobby countries that had abstained earlier in hopes of getting them to approve a U.S.-sponsored amendment to restore the words "sexual orientation." Colombia and South Africa were among the countries they persuaded to approve the amendment.

"The council applauds the principled leadership of the United States and other like-minded countries in restoring the language and staking out a clear claim for gay men and lesbians at the United nations," said Bromley, whose council aims to advance gay rights in American foreign policy.

General Assembly resolutions are not legally binding, but rather reflect the views of the majority of the world's nations.

The assembly on Tuesday voted 93 in favor of the United States' proposal to restore the previous language, with 55 countries against and 27 abstaining. The assembly then approved the amended resolution 122 in favor, with 0 votes against, and 59 abstentions.

President Obama said the vote "marks an important moment in the struggle for civil and human rights."

"The time has come for all nations to redouble our efforts to end discrimination and violence against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people," he said.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the U.S. reintroduced the language to send an unequivocal message that "No one should be killed for who they are."

"Sadly, many people around the world continue to be targeted and killed because of their sexual orientation," she said. "These heinous crimes must be condemned and investigated wherever they occur."

The call came after the UN General Assembly today endorsed a resolution on a moratorium on the use of the death penalty, the third since 2007.

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Francis S. Coppola, a New York City detective whose partner, a firefighter named Eddie, died in the attacks, summed up the bipolar feelings many GLBT people have had about Sept. 11. "I have never been more proud of being an American or a New Yorker, but at the same time it has made me sad. The greatest country in the world, and yet we are treated like second-class citizens.... The great love of my life died doing what he did best and what he loved to do: helping others. I have never been an activist or ever wanted to be one; however, it is time we stand up and be counted and demand equality -- nothing more or nothing less." -- Tom Musbach, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network
 
Out To Protect

We are a non-profit organization dedicated to supporting gay, lesbian, bi-sexual and transgender law enforcement professionals.

Our Mission Is To

Create a greater awareness of the gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, and transgender professionals working in law enforcement and to support those pursuing a law enforcement career.

What We Do

We provide scholarships to law enforcement recruits who are "out" as gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transgender, or a straight ally and who are outstanding role models for their fellow professionals.

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Through education and peer support, the mission of the National EMS and Firefighters Pride Alliance (NEFPA) shall be to unite, empower, and protect the interests and the general well being of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Firefighters and Emergency Medical Service professionals and volunteers, including but not limited to: Firefighters of all ranks, Emergency Medical Technicians, Paramedics, Critical Care Transport Crews, Air Ambulance Crews, Dispatchers, Cadets and Explorers, who are active or retired members of recognized Fire and Emergency Medical Service agencies.

The NEFPA is a group of all kinds of people. Some are “out” and many are not, and no one is presumed to be gay. Coming out is a personal process unique to everyone. We understand the special needs in our professions. Our relationships are built on trust, respect and truth. These are all critical parts to our job performance.

The NEFPA respects everyones right to privacy. If you're not comfortable on social networking websites such as facebook and would like to be kept up to date on the latest news and events join our email list.

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Police network for LGBT police officers in Europe

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The trade union movement represents ALL working people, regardless of their sex, race, religious belief, sexuality or disability.

The group was set up by gay and lesbian firefighters who are 'out' in the workplace and felt they were in a position to help others within the UK fire service. Within the group's ten year existence, we have achieved official recognition with the FBU, as well as representing the FBU in forums which were once untouched. We also have an extensive network to support and advise (LGBT) lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexual members (firefighters, officers and control staff) who may feel isolated or harassed.

The group is run on a strictly confidential basis and accepts the rules, constitution and democracy of the Fire Brigades Union.
 
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