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Four stringers do you ever...

HMZ

Dec 21, 2003
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I play four string bass and have tried five string instruments but never really felt comfortable on the five.

My question is do you ever switch from a four string to a five for certain songs or do you just tune your four string down if you have to?
 
I'm too old to switch.

If I'm learning a new song, the five string is fine, no problems. And it sounds cool.

But if I'm playing an old song I've played 1000 times before, I'll invariably goof sometime during the song, and muscle memory overrides conscious thought, and I'll thump the B thinking it's my E.
 
HI

If you play for a living, have multiple gigs with different acts, probobly should own a 5. I really dont care for them but have had one in my collection for a very long time. I avoid them if the gig doesnt call for one. Frankly, many band leaders want you to have one. They dont even know why but they kinda want it that way. A while back, a disco kinda band wanted me to audition. Asked me if I had a 5. I laughed. Anyone play a 5 in the late 70's on any of those recordings? Silliness

Rob
 
I also use a Hipshot Detuner whenever I need to play lower than E. A few years ago I tried a 5er and was sufficiently confused. However, recently I tried one again (as well as a 6 string) and found both surprisingly easy to get around on. The key to making the switch over, IMO, is to ignore the B string until you need it. I think many of us visual thinkers have problems making the switch initially because we visually associate the lowest string with being an E and it's corresponding pitches/patterns, but as I said just continue playing a 5er as if it's a 4 but starting on the 2nd string instead, then climb down to the b when you need to.
 
Ive always been a 4 stringer but when I got back into it after being out of it for a decade I almost grabbed a 5er but at the last minute went with a 4. I did finally get a 5er a few months back into playing. I took to it straight away but just never used the B (I play a lot of original stuff) that much so went back to my 4s. I still have the 5 and have no idea if I will ever go back to it. I adapted fine like I said, just never used the B *shrug* like I thought I would.
 
I played 5 exclusively for 5 years, then went back to 4. I've been playing 4 for 35 years, so it just feels more natural to me. I still have two fivers that I use on the rare occasions when I need one, but right now I'm playing in two classic rock bands and there is no need for 5 strings in classic rock. If I'm ever in a country band again I'll probably play 5 strings, since I found it very useful for country.
 
I play exclusively 4 string in one band, and exclusively 5 string in another band.

I overcame the insurmountable confusion of switching between the two by (drumroll please) practicing.

For my next trick, I write music almost exclusively on a 6 string, tuned an octave higher than a 4 string bass! I used a similar technique to master that impressive feat.

Once I tried playing a 7 string guitar, but it was really hard and confusing so I decided it was impossible and quit.

;)
 
I read an interview with Paul McCartney recently. He talked about his gear and mentioned he bought a 5-string Wal and used it on the recording of Free As A Bird. For one note.

FIVE-STRING TASTE

Paul now uses a Wal 5 string bass in the studio and for part of his live shows. I think it's important to take yet another page from the McCartney bass book when it comes to 5 string bass playing. There are (at least) two ways to approach the switch from 4 to 5 string bass (where the 5th string is a low B).

One way would be to take a step back and re-approach the bass with all five strings in mind, to seek it out as a whole new instrument because in effect that's what it becomes with that approach. You've no doubt heard a number of bass players who have taken this approach, and they lean quite heavily on the low B. This can be troublesome: while we bass players tend to love low rumbling sounds, there are not many others like us out there in the world. One gets the feeling that these bass players are using their newfound low B string as a weapon to grab new power in the band sound. Interestingly enough, you 'generally' find these sorts of bass players in the club scenes and maybe it makes sense there.

The second way is to think about your bass as the old 4 string instrument -- with a fifth string available on top for effect. For one thing it makes it much easier to play without thinking so much. It's so easy, while playing, to forget that the string at the top of your neck is now a B instead of an E that it's almost survival to adopt this method both live and in the studio. Approaching 5 string bass playing in this way also causes the bass player to use the B string a bit more sparingly, and hence to much better effect.

Paul McCartney on recording "Free As A Bird": "I played the Wal, and what I liked was I played very, very normal bass, really out of the way, because I didn't want to 'feature'. There are one or two moments where I break a little bit loose, but mostly I try to anchor the track. There's one lovely moment when it modulates to C, so I was able to use the low C of the 5 string and that's it, the only time I use the low one, which I like, rather than just bassing outand being low, low, low. I play normal bass, and then there's this low C and the song takes off. It actually takes off anyway because a lot of harmonies come in and stuff, but it's a real cool moment that I'm proud of. That's my Wal moment." (footnote 2)

He hits that cool low C three times actually, the first time during the first note of George's solo.

Today, every time Paul comes out with a new album, people tend to be disappointed. As with all music, opinion is completely subjective (as is much of this article).

But the one thing that's not so open to subjectivity is his bass playing. Whether on his Rickenbacker, his Wal 5 string or whatever, he remains one of the top bass players in the world. For a guy who could rest on his laurels as one of the prime innovators of rock bass playing, that is a solid testament to him as a musician.
 
I mainly play in drop D with my band. I was using a 5 string for a while, but tuned it BDADG. It was much easier to play it tuned that way for the style of songs we do. The 5 string doesn't get played anymore because we dropped the songs I used it on.

I never had a problem with 5'ers. I've owned a 6 that wasn't too bad, but the high C just felt weird... I'm used to anchoring on the G string for octaves or thirds.
 
Here's a trick I use..I play below a low E so infrequently, I just pull a double-stop on the E string. Just hit the root and the 5.
For example I need a "low-D"
Hit the D on the E string and the 5th (A) on the A string (at the octave)
Most people don't even know the difference...try it!
 
I go back and forth regularly as needed for the material. Still, I will always be more at home on the 4-string, even though the 5 offers you the lower E-string notes in a very comfy location.
 

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