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Double Bass French bow - upper arm ache

Hopefully your bass isn't huge and doesn't have high rounded shoulders to get past too.

Your problem may stem from seating position and /or bow hold.

I am not tall and would elect to sit differently for playing solos than in orchestra where most notes are on the neck. I would try to angle the bass back across my left knee a little more than usual so that it is lower against my body. To compensate for the neck being a little lower and further back than usually about level with my face I would turn my whole body in a little more to the left. This will bring my right shoulder forward over the bass more and closer to the strings, also making it easier for me to both reach the G string and transition into and out of thumb position more easily. By turning (not swivelling) my body the left arm can avoid constriction of operating space and has the freedom to reach the top notes too.

Turning your bow hold in too far by rotating your elbow up and out too much will cause tension and a hot pain just below your shoulder cap, at the top of the bicep. Only turning in far enough to direct the elbow (a one-directional hinge joint) freely across the strings should remove this tension.

My "kitchen table" bowing technique. Stand in front of your table or bench of about waist height and simulate bowing by drawing your finger tips along its straight edge.
You can see straight away how arm movements blend together to produce a straight line of movement. I don't believe in pronating the wrist or using very florid movements to change bow directions. Try keeping the bow arm long to reach the necessary contact point. While keeping the bow hair flat on the bottom string it will naturally end up turning in slightly on the G string as you roll across. Flat hair is not needed on the G string which is lighter and moving much faster. Neither is turning in too far to jam weight into the string. You will too easily crush tone and cause the pain you described.
 
Hey Dragonetti, give your reasons for the big thumbs-down. There is room for differing points of view here and we all can learn from each other.

Are you a german or french bow user?

Turning in slightly on the G string might still have all the bow hair in contact with the string but with the top of the ribbon working harder (more bent around the string) than the bottom. I would have to pronate my wrist to play flat on the G string, causing the very tension in the upper arm I am advising against.

The thread began with someone asking for advice about arm pain. Can you help him?

DP
 
Hey Dragonetti, give your reasons for the big thumbs-down. There is room for differing points of view here and we all can learn from each other.

Are you a german or french bow user?

Turning in slightly on the G string might still have all the bow hair in contact with the string but with the top of the ribbon working harder (more bent around the string) than the bottom. I would have to pronate my wrist to play flat on the G string, causing the very tension in the upper arm I am advising against.

The thread began with someone asking for advice about arm pain. Can you help him?

DP

David, I completely agree with your "theory" about the g-string. The funny thing about bow technique is that after a certain amount of years playing, we all generally come to the same conclusion.
 
Playing with flat hair on the G string is a necessary thing to be able to do. Flat hair (and not just flat ribbon but with the stick flat as well) will influence the sound as well as how the bow responds...bounce for exampe. I feel that playing with flat hair can have a positive influence on sound and flat hair itself does not need to crush the sound. I am not saying that playing with flat hair is appropriate all the time because it's not. I would suggest either adjusting the bass or moving more with the torso to be able to reach the G string and still be comfortable.
 
Playing with flat hair on the G string is a necessary thing to be able to do. Flat hair (and not just flat ribbon but with the stick flat as well) will influence the sound as well as how the bow responds...bounce for exampe. I feel that playing with flat hair can have a positive influence on sound and flat hair itself does not need to crush the sound. I am not saying that playing with flat hair is appropriate all the time because it's not. I would suggest either adjusting the bass or moving more with the torso to be able to reach the G string and still be comfortable.

Either way it really doesn't matter. For the G string you should angle the bass inwards (or have a posture that can easily move the bass.) To reduce tension you have to really lighten up your bow grip and realize that your weight is coming from your forearm and radiating down your entire arm. Once you learn how to drop ALL of your weight then you'll realize that you really don't need to grab the stick hard at all. To achieve this, find the maximum point of resonance in bow placement, also NEVER play with a straight arm, especially on the g string. To keep the tone full and the sound constant be sure to bend at the waist forward to increase your arms length.