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Fretless talk

I used to have a 4 string Yamaha Attitude plus converted into fretless and kept it passive with an additional J pickup with a separate volume to cop the Jaco tone. I have the fingerboard changed to ebony and without epoxy coating or any finish. I decided to have the fingerboard bare like that of an upright. It was strung with Ernie Ball Flatwound group 4 and had the action set stupid low. It was fun to play until I spotted a Status Electro 5'er with a bare rosewood board and active electronics. Of course it's a completely different animal but the bare rosewood board felt and sounded so different. Although it 's got active electronics, the sound is more organic. It's probably because of the semi hollow body and the piezo pickup. Since I'm also an upright player, I kinda felt at home with it's tone. I installed a set of Ernie Ball Cobalt flats on it and I'm pretty happy with the result. Organic tone with an active electronics to boot. I think this is the perfect fretless for me.

Anyway, I know it's a cliche to have the Jaco thing when it comes to fretless but what are your preferences?
 
There are many different flavors. My number one bass at the moment is a Jazz with an uncoated bocote fingerboard and an Aguilar OBP-2 preamp. It's strung with the EB Cobalt flats. I had a Pedulla Pentabuzz and I plan on getting a Pedulla Buzz in the future (I'm a four string player through and through). They're very different, but equally excellent. The Jazz is, of course, closer to the Jaco thing, though that's not really what I go for tonally. The Pedulla is another thing altogether. Incredibly smooth, capable of plenty of growl, but sooooo smooth. Just as there are many flavors with fretted basses, so to are there with fretlesses. For my playing, the Pedulla is tops, though many swear by Zons, which have their own thing going on.
 
There are many different flavors. My number one bass at the moment is a Jazz with an uncoated bocote fingerboard and an Aguilar OBP-2 preamp. It's strung with the EB Cobalt flats. I had a Pedulla Pentabuzz and I plan on getting a Pedulla Buzz in the future (I'm a four string player through and through). They're very different, but equally excellent. The Jazz is, of course, closer to the Jaco thing, though that's not really what I go for tonally. The Pedulla is another thing altogether. Incredibly smooth, capable of plenty of growl, but sooooo smooth. Just as there are many flavors with fretted basses, so to are there with fretlesses. For my playing, the Pedulla is tops, though many swear by Zons, which have their own thing going on.
Man I've always wanted to have a Pentabuzz but I just can't afford it. drool:crying:
 
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Let's break down our preferences.

Here's mine:
Number of Strings: 5
Fingerboard: No coating. Ebony or Rosewood
Neck: I'd prefer a neck through but I have a bolt on right now...
Body: Semi-hollow and no single cut please
Pickups: Piezo and a magnetic pickup near the bridge (not a P bass fan)
Electronics: Passive...mine's active but it sounds passive anyway
Strings: Flatwound since I prefer the bare fingerboards

Just add whatever options you can think of.
 
I started on upright,so,like you, I'm comfortable with fretless. The fretless I have that's closest to upright tone is my Godin A4 Ultra- I think mostly because of the piezo pickup. My active 5s are completely different sounding- much brighter than the Godin.
 
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Marco w/ TI's I sound nothing like Jaco :D
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My 4th or 5th bass back in 1975 was a long scale Alembic Series I. I believe it was S/N 189. Beautiful instrument and somewhat unusual in that the core was koa, which I had never heard of. I sold my car to buy it. Anyhow, I was playing a lot of upright at the time, both Jazz and Orchestral, and I decided to have the frets pulled and filled. Jaco was on the scene; and while I greatly admired his playing, the thing back then was to do things your own way. So, I kept the ebony fingerboard bare and strung the bass with D'Addario half rounds. And that is the way I played it as my only bass guitar for the next 12 years.

In roughly 1988, I started playing as house bass player for a Blues open mic thing; and decided to put the Alembic back to fretted and bought a 1972 Jazz (don't ask how much) and a fretless Warmoth neck with no lines and an ebony board; and magnificent birds eye figuring. I put that Warmoth neck on the Jazz and got busy with the Blues. I was still avoiding the finish on the fingerboard, because I was still dead set on not copying Jaco. And, I thought the lack of lines looked pretty imposing. I played that bass at that gig for about 3 years. People like Larry McCray would stop in, and we had a heck of a great time. I learned a lot. One of the things I learned was that the side dots are perfectly adequate references in the lower positions where you do most of your playing and where you can't see the fingerboard anyhow. But, intonation on the odd bass break up in the upper register with big shifts can be challenging with no reference points on the board. Also, after a couple of years with the round wounds, that fingerboard became rutted, and intonation in the lower Blues keys became blurry.

This led me to spec and purchase a fretless Thunderbass 5 from Mike Pedulla. I picked out the top at the shop south of Boston and had the bass built with the polyester finish on the board and fret lines to help playing in the upper register. By this point, I had decided that fingerboard finishes and fret lines were practical, and I had gotten too old to care whether or not I was copying anyone. That was a great bass, except I didn't really dig the Thunderguts version of the Bartolini pre. I gigged that bass for a couple of years in a Letterman Band type of thing. Ultimately, I found an upright that I needed, and decided to sell that bass to pay for the upright. But after a few days I had sellers remorse and went to go get it back from the store where it was on consignment. Unfortunately, it had been sold 15 minutes before I got there. TB'er Michelle ended up with the bass, and I don't know where it went after she sold it.

So, then I picked up a Fernandez 5 that played pretty well. It had a blank ebony fingerboard. I coated that with floor grade polyurethane, which sounded warmer than the polyester; and when it was sanded down, the matte finish looked like nothing was on the board at all. That's the best fingerboard finish I ever played. Very durable. Really warm singing tone. Don't recall why I sold that bass. It was purple. The cat who bought it loved it to death. Don't blame him.

These days I am playing a Zon Sonus Special 5. It has very tastefully dark lines and the phenolic board. It came from TB'er Gard. The only issue for me with this instrument is that the line material is so dark that the reference points on the fingerboard edge in the lower positions are a little tough to see in low stage light. Otherwise, it's a sufficiently great player that I doubt I will look elsewhere.

Those are my adventures and where I have ended up.
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I have 11 basses in hand at this time and only three are fretted. I will be swapping out my fretted headless for a fretless and just keeping the two fretted.
Peavey Dyna Unity for it versatility and my Peavey Foundation with its Super Ferrites. As far as the fretless the double bass speaks for its self. My Cortobass also speaks for its self. The rest are strung with a variation of coated strings to Thomastik-Infelds to give me a full field of warm low end to a bright attack. most of my fretless are short scale. I have a long list of basses that I'm pursuing but right now its a toss up between a fretless Birdsong Sparrow or a Cbass. I'm thinking Cbass because I have not owned a P bass at this point.
 
Fretless is cool & not as difficult as I thought--although it is more difficult than fretted in some ways.

I have an Ibanez SR500F--probably not going to get a second one, unless I need to replace mine or I get a huge financial windfall or win one or get one as a gift.

Frets feel weird on basses now (But not on guitars or mandolins, which I also play)
 
Yes, B-G an octave up. However, it uses standard gauge strings so it still has the low end as if you were playing from the 12th fret up. A lot of people say/assume it's a piccolo, but a piccolo would use around a .065 gauge B string, I'm using a .128.
 
I just have to wonder what one of those would be like with a full neck on it. I know, defeats the purpose, but still, seems like it'd be kewl. :cool: