Fretless Warmoth Neck problem

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by thmsjordan, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. thmsjordan

    thmsjordan

    Jan 10, 2010
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    Hey all. I was hoping Some kind soul could could make some suggestions.

    I currently own a Warmoth fretless that I never use. It is gorgeous with a Madagascar Ebony fingerboard to match the Walnut body and head stock. The problem is I live in Pennsylvania where it gets cold and the bass is unplayable in the Winter. The neck will flatten the strings against the fingerboard and when I raise the strings, the board is fine in the money positions but too tall in the upper registers. I could adjust the truss rod back and forth but this seems both tedious and not especially healthy for the truss rod or the bass generally. The setup was done by my friend J Thomas Davis who is extremely good at setup and I have used him for years. I however cannot use him now since he is retired.

    I know it is hard to diagnose based on a post, but does this problem sound familiar to anyone? Does Madagascar ebony have issues that would cause it to swell or contract far more (or more likely far less) than other woods? Does it sound like the board needs to be resurfaced? Does the neck sound like it is just really unstable? I have never owned an electric bass that needed special summer and winter re-adjustments of the truss rod. It seems like that would indicate some kind of problem.

    What do you think? Feel free to ask more questions if it helps with diagnosis, or at least a better guess without actually seeing the bass.

    By the way - any suggestion that I move to a warmer climate will go to the head of the line and be treated with the utmost respect.
     
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  2. jchrisk1

    jchrisk1

    Nov 15, 2009
    Northern MI
    Truss rod adjustments are the correct way to deal with the issue. I have to adjust mine a few times per year because of the Michigan climate. It's normal for wood to move with humidity changes. Adjusting string height only will not help.

    There are several links about setting up your bass in the hardware setup and repair forum. You can do the work yourself.
     
  3. mapleglo

    mapleglo Ancient Astronaut Theorist Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2013
    phoenix, az
    The truss rod is specifically there so one can adjust the neck as it moves due to changes in the environment. I'd go as far as to say that *not* adjusting it to compensate for the weather is not especially healthy for the rod or bass. Or at the very least, for playing.
     
  4. thmsjordan

    thmsjordan

    Jan 10, 2010
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    Thanks Mapleglo (love me some Ricks!!). It's just that I have never needed to do that on any other bass. Glad to hear it's not a mutant bass thing!!

    Are you sure I don't have to move somewhere warm before October of this year? I mean because, I would be open to that advice.
     
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  5. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    I agree with @jchrisk1 and @mapleglo , the trussrod is meant to accommodate these adjustments. Using it won't hurt the bass, the neck or the fretboard. :)
     
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  6. thmsjordan

    thmsjordan

    Jan 10, 2010
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    Thanks!! I guess I was a little nervous about touching the truss rod. I had one snap on me. It was a 70's Fender P bass (fretles actually) I have been scared of them ever since. Time to get over that I suppose.
     
  7. thmsjordan

    thmsjordan

    Jan 10, 2010
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    Thanks Beej - there seems to be a consensus forming here. I kinda hoped I would be forced to move to Miami or something but I will get out the tools instead this fall.
     
  8. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    By all means, the best way to deal with it is to move to Miami! :D

    (Although the humidity may introduce new adjustment problems... :laugh:)
     
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  9. Only do a 1/4 turn at a time (at the most) and don't let the truss rod do the bending, push the neck in the direction it needs to go as you tighten or loosen the truss rod. Your bass strings are putting 400lbs of pressure on that neck.
     
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  10. Is it a maple neck? Does it have a finish on it?
     
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  11. BAG

    BAG

    May 5, 2014
    New Zealand
    I wouldn't suggest that at all. What I would suggest is that you send it to me, I'll play it for a couple of years and let you know how it goes in a different environment. ;)

    Seriously though, I have two warmoth jazz necks, one thin taper fretted (one of the thinnest necks I've ever played) and one normal thickness fretless. The latter is bird's eye maple with rosewood board. I've not had a problem with either and I previously lived in the Snowy Mountains in Australia where there temps in summer go up around 35c (95f) and in winter go down under 0c (mid to high 20's f) with very little humidity. I now live in Christchurch NZ with similar temps in winter but MUCH more moisture. My necks move very little and rarely need a truss rod tweak...... so yeah, send it to me and I'll check it out :laugh:
     
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  12. BadB

    BadB

    May 25, 2005
    USA
    Once the bass is properly set up for you, you shouldn't ever have to adjust the saddle height. Just the seasonal truss rod adjustment. No need to bend the neck while making the adjustment. Don't turn more than 1/4 turn at a time, tune it, and let it sit for a couple of hours before you continue. The neck may move a bit over a couple days. So, don't be afraid to make minute adjustments.
     
  13. howlin

    howlin

    Nov 15, 2008
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    If you think it's tedious than I would say the problem lies with you. Seriously.

    As for the neck: It's wood. Think about it. Trees aren't static. They bend. They twist. They turn. They expand. They contract. They spend their whole lives in motion.

    As per the truss rod: The amount of adjustment can't be more than a quarter turn at best - the truss rod can handle it - trust me.

    For the record: In the past couple of months I've probably adjusted the neck relief and tweaked the action on my bass 2 - 3 times a month. I would do it every day if I had to.
     
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  14. howlin

    howlin

    Nov 15, 2008
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    I'm curious, where did you get 400#? The heaviest string tension on a set of strings I could find on the D'Addario sight was ~204lbs. From memory I believe that the LaBella Low Tension Flats that I use are only 132lbs. That's a far cry from 400lbs. Just sayin' . . .
     
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  15. I could be remembering incorrectly, but I thought I have a set of D'Addarios on my desk that say 400, I could be completely wrong. I'll check it. I might be thinking of my eight string/dual course bass, but I'll check.

    Even at 132, it's better to not try and use the truss rod to move that much tension, just use the truss rod to hold it in place.
     
  16. bdplaid

    bdplaid Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2007
    florida
    I hate to break it to you but I live in Florida and have to adjust my neck all the time; humidity changes you know.

    And I bet you snapped that previous truss rod because it had never been "exercised", meaning twisted every once in a while. They rust up and seize some times.
     
  17. mapleglo

    mapleglo Ancient Astronaut Theorist Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2013
    phoenix, az
    There's some disagreement about the whole 1/4 turn thing. I turn my truss rods as much as is needed to properly adjust the neck, whether it's a quarter turn or two turns, and never had a problem. If it needs additional adjustment after a while, so be it, but usually not.
     
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  18. Strings are usually in the 38-48 pounds/string range. At minimum you can count on adjusting the rod once in the summer and once in the winter if you experience 4 seasons per year.
     
  19. bdplaid

    bdplaid Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2007
    florida
    I was going to ask this too.
     
  20. I'll turn mine more than a 1/4 turn as well, but if someone has stripped one then doing a 1/4 at a time is prudent.
     
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