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Frets for adding microtones ?

Hi everyone. Not sure if this is the right forum-category for this, but it seems like it. I have a little question:

Has anybody tried the fretlets from re-Fret your guitar — the sky is the limit! on their bass for getting microtones? I tried contacting them by e-mail, but no reply so far.

If you have tried them, how did they feel? Did they move quite a bit when you played aggressively? Did they stay in place quite well in general? How did they feel on the lower strings?
 
Hello @johnh89,

I am going more for non-fretless. Similar to instruments from artists and bands such as these ones :
-https://lastsacrament.bandcamp.com/album/enantiodromia
-https://cryptic-ruse.bandcamp.com/album/our-crumbling-psychic-infrastructure

with influence from other bands (non-microtonal) who play basses as guitars or have guitars with a 34 inch scale length, such as these ones :
-https://extinctionleveleventnc.bandcamp.com/album/the-catalyst-2
-https://shelsmusic.bandcamp.com/album/buster

I am playing a 6-string bass like a guitar tuned to G#0, D1, C2, E2, C3, F3 (sometimes going down a bit more for a sludgier sound with a specific tuning again). I have wanted to experiment with extra frets for microtones for several years to adventure more into the world of microtones similar to these bands for a low and trippy sound.

I have a fretless guitar and have tried a fretless bass a few times, but the sound of the fretless feels quite different IME, and getting precise chords for example with different temperaments (24 edo, 48 edo, etc...) is much harder (as it is more or less easier to be a few cents off each time depending on what edo you are going for), and doesn't give the same sound I am looking for.
I am mostly trying to go for a more metallic, clanky and harsher sound (and sludgier sound in other cases).

The discussion of fretless and fretted instruments with regards to chords and tonal flavors are discussed a bit more in depth here :

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/microtonal-quartertonal-bass.440017/

This is why I am curious to see if some have tried out these fretlets before and have had positive or negative experiences with them before.
 
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Hi everyone. Not sure if this is the right forum-category for this, but it seems like it. I have a little question:

Has anybody tried the fretlets from re-Fret your guitar — the sky is the limit! on their bass for getting microtones? I tried contacting them by e-mail, but no reply so far.

If you have tried them, how did they feel? Did they move quite a bit when you played aggressively? Did they stay in place quite well in general? How did they feel on the lower strings?
I wouldn't trust them to stay in place well - they are held with double-sided tape. The surface area is very small. And if you have a fretboard that is an oily wood, like rosewood or ebony, I think adhesion will be a problem. Then there's the problem of fret height - you will need to do a complete fret-levelling to bring all the fret tops to the same plane. Since Fretlets come in only one size, levelling will be essential.
 
I wouldn't trust them to stay in place well - they are held with double-sided tape. The surface area is very small. And if you have a fretboard that is an oily wood, like rosewood or ebony, I think adhesion will be a problem. Then there's the problem of fret height - you will need to do a complete fret-levelling to bring all the fret tops to the same plane. Since Fretlets come in only one size, levelling will be essential.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. I get the impression that they might work better in general if you are not being aggressive with the fretboard. And that's a good point about oily wood : if adhesion will be an issue because of that, I should probably not get my hopes up (even for more gentle ways of playing).

As for fret height, my frets SEEM to have the same measurements (after mesuring several times), but I am still unsure. I might have to just order a few to see what I can still do despite the potential limits of certain playing styles, not having the same dimensions as the frets on all the instruments, etc... :/

Not feeling too optimistic about them, but l might as well see what's possible with these fretlets. I can always put some all over the place on the fretless too.

Thanks for the reply @Turnaround
 
This discussion was had forty-five years ago in Guitar Player magazine, analyzing the techniques of such players as John McLaughlin. It has also been discussed on this forum in various threads, such as this one: microtonal/quartertonal bass | TalkBass.com , and here is an interesting article about the cultures which have indigenous microtonal music: All About the Microtonal Guitar (salamuzik.com) .


Hello @iiipopes
Thanks for the reply.

(Slightly long reply from me incoming)

I didn't know about the jazz/fusion guitarist John McLaughlin and his band, so thanks for letting me know about them. I will go look for that Guitar Player Magazine article.

The link from TalkBass that you gave is the same one that I posted in an earlier reply, and I am aware of salamuzik and Prof. Dr. Tolgahan Cogulu.

The talkbass thread we have both linked concerns mostly heavy-modification solutions (from my understanding), but I am looking to just stick frets on my bass for now, and maybe move around, trying out 36 equal divisions of the octave or maybe even 36 EDO + 24 EDO for potentially trying out polymicrotonality given the short scale length (only 34 inches). Given that basses of 40+ inches are not the cheapest, I am seeing what I can do with my current instrument.

I think I have already seen that article from salamuzik, and I am aware of different musical traditions using quartertones and non-equal temperaments. I have bought Ron Sword's book on 24-edo scales from here : Metatonal Music

to see what (if provided) other scales I can find outside out of Arabic and Turkish music (given that I hear a lot about them when looking up 24-edo, when I actually want to see other possible and custom scales with this temperament as well).

The main question for which I am trying to find an answer is whether the stick-on frets from fretlet have been tried by some on this forum (I feel that some must have already tried them before on here).

I am looking for this info because I wanted to know people's experience with playing more aggressive styles (sludge(core), thall, djent, clank, noise, mathcore, matallic hardcore, downtempo etc...) with stick-on frets, to see if they have had any issues. I play the bass a lot like a guitar, with sub-bass ranges and higher-end ranges.

I am asking this question as well because I have been stuck finding music that scratches that itch for new sounds + melodies and skull-crushing heaviness / aggressiveness (from spending and filtering lots of albums on Bandcamp) for a while now. So I thought I would give all this stuff a go.

Some bands and artists that have been sources of inspiration are :
- Last Sacrement (16 edo brutal death metal)
- Admiral Angry
- Sectioned
- Extinction Level Event (only Bass)
- Cryptic Ruse (many edos)
- Meshuggah
- Monegros Acid Resort (Blue-Meth Desert Album)
- The Omnific (Only Bass)
- Coma Cluster Void
- Massive Audio Nerve
- Vildjarta and Stoort Neer
- Sevish

I have been interested in the microtonal stuff for about a decade, ever since I discovered the artist Sevish. On stringed instruments though, this seems to be more of a headache to do. Instead of going down the heavy-modification route straight away, I though I would go for a non-permanent solution.

I am going to order the fretlets anyway when I can. If they don't work, I can always stick them on my fretless or my classical guitar.
 
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