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Frustrating audition experience - long rant alert

Kind of unrelated, but when I’ve auditioned or joined a group, I usually ask why the last bassist left. You can usually tell a lot from the response (even if they aren’t truthful about it!). For instance, if the BL sounds bitter, petty, or demeaning when talking about the old bassist, that might be a red flag.
One of the many questions you should ask before joining a band. Along with how often do they play, where do they play, how much do they make, how close to the original do they want the songs learned, how do they see the role of the bass player, how often do they practice, how is the money split, how do they choose songs and at least a dozen other. If everyone asked just these questions BEFORE they join a band, there would be a lot less threads about how things went wrong.
 
By the way, the guy that I'm talking about......he's the drummer.
No further explanation required.

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I did a similar audition to this a few years back. The singer/ BL asked for three songs, then emailed shortly after adding another 3, then two days before the actual audition emailed me and added another 3. I didn't even say anything, I just diligently worked through the songs to prepare them as best as possible. Imagine my surprise when I got there and set up and we began to play and I was the only person who knew all of the songs, and could play all the parts. Even the singer had lyric sheets... to the stones, lynyrd skynyrd, etc. I know I'm a nice guy, and consistent with that, I played with them for the evening, and even showed the guitarist some changes and chord inversions, but never saw them again.

After that, I asked to hear some recordings or links to songs and videos before attending an audition. If the band didn't have those yet, it was too early in their development to have me join... :D
 
Once again - I'm just venting here. I don't suppose that there is anything unusual in this story, because people are people....

My main band is going to be taking a hiatus for half a year because our singer is going to be out of the country with family. I thought that I'd look for another project to fill the time.

I answered an ad for a band (weekend warrior cover band) that had just lost their bass player. They've done a few shows over the last year, although at places that my band has turned down playing because of comp structure (pay-to-play, free, etc.) He gave me their whole setlist and told me to prepare any six of my choice. Fair enough.

The audition went okay. One song I did mess up, and another had a rough start, since they clearly hadn't given me the right key to play in. Dynamics seemed good, though. They tried out five or six bassists that day. Oh, and at the audition, they told me that they had lost their singer the day before, so they had a friend sing during the audition.

The next day, they tell me that they were continuing their search for a bass player, none of the ones who auditioned was a fit. Okay. That was back in late July.

This past Saturday, the guy emails me. They had another round of auditions and still haven't found their guy. He'd like me to come back and jam again, with the same six songs, plus New Orleans Is Sinking (which was actually one of the songs I had already played). He says that what they'd like to see is a rendition that is "as close to the original as possible." Which (the two noted flubs aside), I did pretty well.

The next day, I talk to him on the phone. Now he tells me that he'd like to see more fills and runs added to the bass lines. Be creative. Make it my own. And he'd like to add two other songs. He will send me an email.

I get the email. Nine songs. Two of which I played with them before. None of which are New Orleans Is Sinking.

Yesterday, I call him. I'm not trying to be dense of high maintenance, but I tell him that I'm getting some mixed messages here. One day he tells me to play as close to the original song as possible and the next day he wants lots of fills and "extra stuff" added to the song. Which is it? No he says that he wants it played with creativity but true to the original spirit of the song. Okay, so NOT as close as possible to the original song.

Then, I point out that he wanted the original six songs on Saturday and now he wants only two of those songs and seven NEW songs for the next audition in two weeks. I stopped short of telling him that he really should be able to tell in three to maybe five songs. As soon as I point out that he's asking me to audition 13 songs in total, and that this is an unfair ask for an audition, he cuts me off and tells me that he doesn't have to tell me why they have got to this point and that if I don't want to do it, he has four or five other guys who have no objection whatsoever and that he can just take me off the list.

It really caught me off-guard, because he had struck me as a decent and professional guy. But as soon as I point out that (in my opinion), his ask was unreasonable, he got his back up right away and it was all over in seconds.

Clearly, he/they don't really know what they want. Day to day it was changing and I don't want to waste my time preparing for a moving target.

As an epilogue, I see that they reposted their ad for bass players this morning. Maybe he doesn't really have four or five guys lined up to learn a whole set's worth of material (including coming up with fills and flourishes) for an audition in what is now less than two weeks. Also, the new ad says that vocals and keys abilities are assets. They weren't asking for that before.

And maybe I found out why they lost their bass player and their vocalist in quick succession.

Tell me I'm wrong, if you think so. Is it unreasonable to assign that many songs for an audition, or was I being difficult?
Run away run away.
 
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You did the right thing, and are better off because of it. My worst audition was in a guy's living room which reeked of dog poopie and cat piss, surrounded by Marshall amp stacks and a huge drum kit. It was an all original band, but they had me play Zappa's "Echidna's Arf" with no warning. Wow. I got through it (having heard it before) and got the job, which lasted through a CD release party and then folded. I don't like auditions. I have had better luck with people just inviting me to join, or calling me to job and then making connections from that. I guess auditions have their place, but I avoid them....
 
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I absolutely HATE when I answer an ad and ask for the band's songlist.....I never get anything! How hard is it to email me a songlist?!?! Another ad I answered, it said Motown, R&B and Funk. Cool. Right up my alley! He actually sent me a songlist and there was no Motown or funk on it. Mostly Pop/Rock. In any case, I'd rather see a songlist so I can see for myself what I know or don't know or if it's music I want to play at all. Don't like going back and forth with numnuts who are trying to be secretive about a non existent or existent band. Dammit, what's the name of the band for x' sake! What's with the secrecy?!
 
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Don't like going back and forth with numnuts who are trying to be secretive about a non existent or existent band. Dammit, what's the name of the band for x' sake! What's with the secrecy?!

Had that problem when someone e-mailed me through a CL ad I put up. The guy was being very secretive on the name of the band, just that they had gigs lined up and what the genre was. It turns out they were planning to fire their bassist, and wanted to keep it secret. That killed my interest right away. :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah, I don't like auditions either. They're necessary if you're not established in your area or haven't networked sufficiently to get referrals from other musicians, but once you start playing out it's best to start recording everything you do and networking like mad so that you become known as someone who can fill that need.

I moved to this area about 13 years ago and was working a desk job for most of that time, having gotten out of music save for a few little hobby bands with people my husband and I knew. About two years ago I got the bug to get my chops back together in a big way and, since I didn't really know anyone in the area, I have done a handful of auditions. The stories are crazy. Most of them will give you a long list of songs but if you narrow that down to something manageable, and even if you tell them what you want to play and allow two weeks for it to come together, it's almost a guarantee that you will be more ready to play those selected songs than they are. And they will have key changes that they didn't bother to tell you about, and they will have changed the arrangements and won't have told you that, either. It's ridiculous how disorganized bands are about auditions. I don't want to play with people like that.

Thankfully the last few opportunities I've had have been through referrals, and I hope that I'll be busy enough this coming year that I won't need to do any more auditions, but you never know.