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Furman Power Conditioner 15 Amps Vs 20 Amps

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Bongo5HH, Sep 27, 2008.


  1. Bongo5HH

    Bongo5HH

    May 31, 2008
    When would you need a 20 Amp Power Conditioner over a 15 Amp Power Conditioner? In most cases is the 15 Amps enough?

    Thanks
     
  2. seamonkey

    seamonkey

    Aug 6, 2004
    You don't need either. An outlet strip is fine, but that's a different topic.

    In the US - You will rarely run into a 20Amp outlet.
    If you do it probably look like:[​IMG]

    See the little tag on the neutral side.

    A real 20A plug from a 20A conditioner would only be able to plug into an outlet like this.
    A 15A plug can plug into this 20A outlet and a 15A outlet fine.
     
  3. toobalicious

    toobalicious

    May 6, 2008
    triad, nc
    to put it into perspective, every plug in my entire studio (admittedly, neither large or fancy) runs off of ONE dedicated 20A circuit. the lights are on an existing 15A circuit. the only time i ever tripped the breaker was when the 750 watt power supply on my computer failed. i have run a full-band worth of gear along with my recording gear, which included such high-draw items as a 700RB and a CS-4000 power amp.

    so, 15A is plenty for virtually any rig. and truly, there isnt a lot of "conditioning" going on in most of those things anyway.
     
  4. fdeck

    fdeck Supporting Member Commercial User

    Mar 20, 2004
    Madison WI
    HPF Technology LLC
    That outlet takes a special screwdriver to get electrocuted :ninja:
     
  5. fatgoogle

    fatgoogle

    Jun 15, 2008
    sorry this is a really noob question but what does a power conditioner do?
     
  6. BillyB_from_LZ

    BillyB_from_LZ Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2000
    Chicago
    This is what a 20 A plug looks like and you can see that it won't fit in a 15 A receptacle (which would be a pain in most places).
     
  7. BillyB_from_LZ

    BillyB_from_LZ Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2000
    Chicago
    When we talk about a power conditioner, we're usually referring to a rack mounted outlet strip that provides filtering of Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) and transients (voltage spikes on the line from lightning some distance away). The rack mount units often include a resettable supplementary protector (mini circuit breaker as they're called) and maybe even some pull-out lights with a dimmer to light up the front of the gear you have mounted in the rack.

    Electronically, it's not unlike the outlet strip you might plug your computer into, but in a package that can be mounted in a rack.
     
  8. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    ...with a lot of extra fanciful claims made by the manufacturer. ;)
     
  9. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    Nothing that well engineered and built gear doesn't already do with what's built into it. :rollno:
     
  10. probably the wrong forum, but what's you opinions on using a power conditioner with an HD television?

    I tried using a monster conditioner with an older Sony HD projection TV and I thought the image wasn't as grainy. I tried it, because I kept arguing that a conditioner was a worthless item, so a friend challenged me to try it on my old tv.
     
  11. hey

    hey

    Jul 8, 2006
    Wisconsin
    More than likely, your mind is playing tricks on you and making you think that there's an actual difference when there really isn't.
     
  12. xbrandonx

    xbrandonx

    Sep 27, 2008
    x502x
    More then anything to me its just a convince factor. One plug in, one plug out.
     
  13. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    Placebo effect.
     
  14. paganjack

    paganjack

    Dec 25, 2007
    Los Angeles, CA
    hey, the placebo effect works!

    i need to design the placebo effect pedal...it will just make your bass seem to sound better! :D
     
  15. Bassflute

    Bassflute

    Jun 24, 2006
    Vancouver
    Endorsing Artist: MTD basses and strings; Bergantino Amps & Cabs
    :rollno::spit::scowl::rollno::spit::scowl::rollno:

    We're quite happy with our placebos, Bill, and if you keep saying this, they'll stop working, THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?

    :D

    Cheers,
    Cameron
     
  16. Bassflute

    Bassflute

    Jun 24, 2006
    Vancouver
    Endorsing Artist: MTD basses and strings; Bergantino Amps & Cabs
    Home outlets stop at 15 amps, commercial ones go to 20. You don't need a special plug to plug into a 20 amp outlet, although they are made. Every club, restaurant, hotel, casino, etc. you play in has 20 amp circuits, if their building and electrical codes are recent. Home use 15 amps.

    The only difference is you can load more stuff onto the 20 amp power conditioner, which might be important to you if you are running a bunch of power amps or large lighting systems off the same circuit. For most bass gear, with one amp involved, 15 is enough.

    I have had circuits pop when running my E(vil) World T(Domination) 800B bridged mono and having a large PA board and powered speakers in the same circuit, so if you're doing that, watch out.

    Cheers,
    Cameron
     
  17. Bassflute

    Bassflute

    Jun 24, 2006
    Vancouver
    Endorsing Artist: MTD basses and strings; Bergantino Amps & Cabs
    you'll greatly diminish the chances of ground loops if you plug everything into one circuit, and also you'll only have one on/off switch and plug to deal with. BTW, I would ALWAYS turn the bass amp / power amp off with it's own switch first. Power amps should be the last ones on, the first ones off to avoid spikes and transients.

    Cheers,
    Cameron
     
  18. Bassflute

    Bassflute

    Jun 24, 2006
    Vancouver
    Endorsing Artist: MTD basses and strings; Bergantino Amps & Cabs
    and would blow a 15 amp circuit.

    Cheers,
    Cameron
     
  19. Bongo5HH

    Bongo5HH

    May 31, 2008
    Thank you very much for your response, it is very helpful.
     

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