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G&L: Help me "get" the hype

I guess you haven't tried a G&L with the humbuckers, active/passive switching, & parallel/serial switching.

This is a large part, I believe, of why Leo Fender believed each of his subsequent bass designs were better than the prior ones. From a sheer engineering standpoint, the designs have evolved and improved from Fenders through Music Man to G&L. There's a refinement, an increase in precision (no pun intended), and increased flexibility and sophistication of electronics and controls.

But for all of that, the key to how "good" a bass is still largely subjective and affected by context. Do all of those technical refinements make the bass sound more like you want it to sound? Does it make it sound better in a band, or in a recorded mix? You can see the line of technical advancement continuing well past G&L up into the heady realms of Fodera and the like, but does that make any of those basses better for you, for what you want to do? Music Mans are more advanced from a design standpoint than Fenders, but are they better? Are G&Ls better than either predecessor?

No, not inherently. A higher-fi bass is not necessarily a better bass for almost all musical contexts. Advancements in technology are not improvements in every way, they are changes. For everything you gain, everything else besides that is affected, and not always for the better.

There's a sound in your head that you're looking for a bass to make. A newer bass, a more expensive bass, these things don't have any inherent connection to getting closer to the sound in your head.
 
had a USA model for a while ... felt nice , well built ... the pups have a unique voice , which you either like or don't like ... ?!
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It should be pointed out that there isn't "a" G&L. I was looking for solid and bullet-proof but old school with balls, so I picked the SB-2. The G&L line goes from classic tone to modern super HiFi.
I personally don't dig any instrument with a lot of knobs and switches no matter who makes it.
What are you looking for in a Bass?
That is a very valid point - in that we don't know what the OP wants.
But when someone says "G&L Bass" without naming a model they mean L2000/2500/ASAT and variations which are all the ones with the big arse MFDs and the "classic" G&L circuit - same as when someone says "Fender" tone they don't mean the short scales or Zone Basses - they mean the classics.
 
It seems all the L2500s I listen to are overly trebly. Is that preamp why?
Did you have it in the Treble Boost position? Cause that is VERY trebly - the middle position on that switch is the way to go. The Treble Boost position is for someone trying to make flats sound like Rounds or extremely dead strings sound okay.
 
... And that may be true, but why would he say any different of his new company? Can you picture setting up a company and saying "These latest ones are real nice but in all honesty not as good as my first creations" ? ;)
Too true...
Also, HE designed them, so he probably does genuinely believe everything he did is an improvement (or he wouldn't have done it!).
 
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Did you have it in the Treble Boost position? Cause that is VERY trebly - the middle position on that switch is the way to go. The Treble Boost position is for someone trying to make flats sound like Rounds or extremely dead strings sound okay.
The treble boost is insane with a modern cab with a tweeter/horn. It is awesome with a tweeter-less 15. It really brings an old Trace 1153 to life.
 
The treble boost is insane with a modern cab with a tweeter/horn. It is awesome with a tweeter-less 15. It really brings an old Trace 1153 to life.
I never use tweetered cabs anymore and always play 15s - I DO play rounds (though not especially bright ones) and I can't stand the treble boost postion - now I AM playing a1505 (one bridge pickup version) but I had a 2000 and feld the same way then.
Glad it works for you though - that is one of the great things about these - they're SO versatile.
 
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This is a large part, I believe, of why Leo Fender believed each of his subsequent bass designs were better than the prior ones. From a sheer engineering standpoint, the designs have evolved and improved from Fenders through Music Man to G&L. There's a refinement, an increase in precision (no pun intended), and increased flexibility and sophistication of electronics and controls.

But for all of that, the key to how "good" a bass is still largely subjective and affected by context. Do all of those technical refinements make the bass sound more like you want it to sound? Does it make it sound better in a band, or in a recorded mix? You can see the line of technical advancement continuing well past G&L up into the heady realms of Fodera and the like, but does that make any of those basses better for you, for what you want to do? Music Mans are more advanced from a design standpoint than Fenders, but are they better? Are G&Ls better than either predecessor?

No, not inherently. A higher-fi bass is not necessarily a better bass for almost all musical contexts. Advancements in technology are not improvements in every way, they are changes. For everything you gain, everything else besides that is affected, and not always for the better.

There's a sound in your head that you're looking for a bass to make. A newer bass, a more expensive bass, these things don't have any inherent connection to getting closer to the sound in your head.
I totally agree with what you say - "better" is not subjective.
However, I don't think G&Ls are "hifi" at ALL, they are definitely more "full spectrum" than the deliberately Mid focused P or the "round" J tone, but the have a very distinct voice that is anything but a hifi representation of what the strings are producing. That's why they are the only "modern" style basses I like - most others are (to my ear) too "hifi" and sound like someone put a mic under the strings instead of a magnetic pickup.
Not trying to start an argument (as I say your point is right on), I'm just surprized that so many people call them "hifi" - especially with their tendency to distort the front end of amps (which to me is a GOOD thing).
 
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I never use tweetered cabs anymore and always play 15s - I DO play rounds (though not especially bright ones) and I can't stand the treble boost postion - now I AM playing a1505 (one bridge pickup version) but I had a 2000 and feld the same way then.
Glad it works for you though - that is one of the great things about these - they're SO versatile.
It works but I have to cut treble at the amp. I rarely use the treble boost when I play my friend's L1500. I have an 80 L1000 and a new M2000. I will eventually get an L2k as I love the K switching.
 
Don't necessarily disagree with the latter part but generic and bland? They are as distinct sounding as any bass out there.

I have heard over the years that some struggle with understanding the controls which might lead to not quite getting what the basses are about.
Just how I felt with every one I've ever played. If you like them that's awesome, hell I'd play one if it was sitting around because I love playing any bass, but I would never spend my own money on one. If you have one I sincerely hope you love it and if you're ever my way I'll play it and you can try to change my mind.
 
Not trying to start an argument (as I say your point is right on), I'm just surprized that so many people call them "hifi" - especially with their tendency to distort the front end of amps (which to me is a GOOD thing).

No worries, in fact if I sounded like I was calling G&Ls hi-fi, it wasn't my intent and I'm glad you clarified that. I was really just trying to paint a picture of a full spectrum of hi-fi-ness that each subsequent Leo Fender design moved further along, but I agree with you that G&L is far from the true hi-fi sound, and also agree with you that they're better off for it. Personally, I think the highest-fi basses are refined to the point of losing their tonal character. There's a certain technical appeal to a sound being completely smoothed out and made completely consistent, but that's not where the aesthetic interest is for me. The sound of Geddy playing a P-bass in that new R40 video clip is more exciting to me than every boutique instrument I've heard in the last 10 years.

I once pined for hi-fi boutique instruments, but have come to the point where you are - something like G&L is as far as I'd care to go into the "modern" realm. I own Fender and EBMM instruments, but have always respected and liked G&L's stuff.
 
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FWIW I have an L2500, M2500, and a Fender P bass, all USA made. I have to say from a workmanship point of view my P bass is the best, perfect really. But from a tonal point of view, and IMO the way it plays, the G&L's are better. The L2500 is gnarly and "big balls" like nothing else I've played. Ed Freidland calls it a "bulldozer" and that's what it is. P basses can't touch it for sheer massive sound. The M is deeper, richer, sweeter than the P as well with much greater tonal options. I'm pretty much a 5 string player now, and not in a classic rock band anymore, so the P sits in the case pretty much. The P just has that "P" sound of course and sits in the mix just right. I also prefer the narrow string spacing of the G&L 5 stringers to the wider spaced P, and don't want a 35" scale.

Anyway, G&L hype is more than hype. It's a great instrument.
 
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Just how I felt with every one I've ever played. If you like them that's awesome, hell I'd play one if it was sitting around because I love playing any bass, but I would never spend my own money on one. If you have one I sincerely hope you love it and if you're ever my way I'll play it and you can try to change my mind.

I've had them in the past and will most likely again in the near future. Next time you try one, put the pickups in parallel mode and mess with the rest of the controls like that. That's their most distinct voice IMO. I never really got into series mode as much as others.
 
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you need to play one
given the lack of opportunity, the GC used forum
ship to your house or local store, 30 day return policy is pretty risk free

my local music store is a licensed G&L distributor, but they never have many in stock. The owner is much more pro-Lakland.
and his staff seem to share the same neutral to 'heaviest bass I've ever played was a G&L' opinion and always want to hand me a Lakland off the wall.
But I can't manage the 35 inch scale and the G&L 5's have pretty much ideal string spacing for me.