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GC is unbelievable

Do this bro. Walk in there agin, and if they ignore you again grab the nearest bass, plug it into the biggest ampeg rig they have on the floor and start slapping like a mofo at full volume. (preferably Higher Ground)

That will get you some attention. :D
 
xring said:
I've been in a sales position before. I was told to do this, and it makes total sense to me: 1. Walk to the customer in an indirect fashion. (don't storm after them) 2. Say good morning or what ever, as you casually and slowly pass. This opens the door for any question the customer may have and acknowledges their presence. 3. After a short time, approach and see if there is anything they need. It's very low pressure for the customer and let's them know they are there.
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Yup, same here at the hardware store. Not trained to do this, but to me it's common sense. Even a "hi, how are you?" never hurts. If they're grumpy and know what they want, they grunt and move on. If they're glad to see me and ask for help, it's the perfect opportunity.
 
POV from somebody who's visit to buy ratio is under 10%......

The GC staff made some basic mistakes, but none were serious enough to be considered a fatal flaw. IMHO, the perfect retail experience is when I walk into a place and someone with an employee badge with their name on it says "Hi, I'm [name from badge]. If you need anything just let me know. If I'm not around, anyone else can assist you". Then I either tell them what I'm looking for or I say "Thanks, I'll remember that" and they go on about their merry little way.

In situations where that doesn't happen and I know what I want, I grab the nearest uniform and say "I would like to try a XXXXX". That is what I would've done if I were in xring's situation. Of course, the 9 out of 10 times that I'm just window shopping I just go on about my business and appreciate the lack of scrutiny.

There are only three things that for certain will have me leave a store when I know what I want and know that they have it at a price I'm willing to pay.

  1. Rudeness. Of course everyone has their own threshold for what is rude and what isn't.
  2. Dishonesty and/or lack of knowledge. Often the latter leads to the former.
  3. Being followed around the store like I'm gonna steal something or rob the place. Being black, I've had to deal with that more times than you might ever imagine.

Peace,

James
 
In order to guarentee a sale, sometimes you need to approach the customer. Besides,everytime you ask "What can I help you find" and get the "I'm just looking" line the closer you are to finding out who really needs help. A bigh part of retail is add ons. That is, "oh, I see you're buying ____, did you know that the company makes _____ to go with it?"
 
I'm pretty suprised at the insensitivity here. Silent and Joe, specifically. I would think that guys who've been on these forums as long as you and who purport to know as much about the psychology of retail as you wouldn't attempt to convince someone that they shouldn't feel disappointed by an experience they've had. The fact it, it's his world and you and I are both living in it.

The subtext to this conversation, it seems to me, is the question of whether one ought to care about the atmosphere a purchase is made in--i.e. if you're unhappy with service, should you buy something anyway if you want it.

Personally, my view is no. Your mileage may vary. For me, there are too many basses in the world and too many "quality" vendors. Any time I actually think about my bass, I think about Beaver Felton cutting me a great deal and sending me the last in a discontinued color. I feel lucky to have my bass. Some people like to "rescue" beat basses from pawn shops and GC's. Point is--basses are inanimate, but some players imbue them with significance and meaning. And part of that meaning derives from the context of purchase. GC is notorious for providing a poor buying experience--either by too much attention, too little, or just plain wrong attention.

Imagine my joy the day a GC employee took my Warwick, opened the control compartment, stuck his nose in, and exclaimed "Whew! These basses always smell like they've been in a dumpster for two weeks!!" That actually happened. I guess he doesn't care for the glue Warwick uses. In any case, my advice and counsel to the buyer is to stop expecting something from GC that your not likely to find there (namely, quality service) and spend your money someplace you are likely to find more customer-focused and hence, satisfying (like Bass Central, GGuitars, Blueberry Hill Bass, or BassNW).

Good luck. And Joe/Silent, please lay off.
 
silent method said:
Why should sales people have to guess how you want to be treated? Working in retail you start to learn a few things. Some people hate being approached and are of the mind set that "if i want help i will ask for it" this is espically true of someone who seems to know what they are looking for. Others demand quick and curtious service.

Now if you had been in looking at this a number of times I would asume you are just looking again and want to be left alone.

Is it that much trouble for you to ask for help?



My thought on this is simple...If a salesperson doesn't have the time or the inclination to at least acknowledge me when I come in (a simple "hello, May I help you?") then I have to assume that he/she is having a pretty good week and doesn't need my money....The salesperson is there to serve ME..not the other way around.....
 
RandallFlagg said:
My thought on this is simple...If a salesperson doesn't have the time or the inclination to at least acknowledge me when I come in (a simple "hello, May I help you?") then I have to assume that he/she is having a pretty good week and doesn't need my money....The salesperson is there to serve ME..not the other way around.....
And that my friends is the bottom line.
 
silent method said:
How lazy of a society is it that we cannot ask for help when needed? come on
Not the point, IMO.

Dr. Funk said:
If just one employee had said" Hi, if you want to try anything just let us know" that Bongo would be home right now.
Very much the point, IMO. I am the customer. The store/employee is there to serve me, they are not doing me a favor by being in business or by selling me something; I am doing them a favor by taking my business there. I am not there to help you with your job, your job is to help me.


xring said:
I've been in a sales position before. I was told to do this, and it makes total sense to me: 1. Walk to the customer in an indirect fashion. (don't storm after them) 2. Say good morning or what ever, as you casually and slowly pass. This opens the door for any question the customer may have and acknowledges their presence. 3. After a short time, approach and see if there is anything they need. It's very low pressure for the customer and let's them know they are there.
I've been in sales before too, and it's quite simple. When a customer walks in, greet them politely, ask if they need any help with anything. If they do, help them. If they say "No, I'm just looking" or whatever, then simply say "OK, if you need anything, please let me know" and them leave them alone. Very simple.

Having said that, if I wanted the bass, I'd go to someone and say "Hey, I'm interested in buying that bass right there...would you get it for me please?" You probably shouldn't have to do that, but the list of "should be's" in the world is a pretty long list.
 
Dr. Funk said:
And that my friends is the bottom line.


You know, that does bring up an experience of mine a few years ago. I was looking for a Midnight Blue 4003. I could order one from my local dealer but was told it would take up to 8 months for delivery. We were planning a trip to Vegas so I called Ed Romans (I KNOW!! I KNOW!! I've heard ALL the stories!!!) anyway, they told me no problem, they would "take care of me when I arrived"....and lo and behold, Ed DID!! I was picked up at the Mirage and taken to his store. Checked it out, (Fell in LOVE!!) and paid for it (Cash). He told me it would arrive at my house in about a week. Got home on Monday and Tuesday it arrived in perfect condition.

Moral of the story: Simple. When you are in Retail and you make your living in retail, treat the customer right and you'll make sales.....
 
Personally, I don't know why anyone buys anything at guitar center anyway, even if the service was awesome. They are ridiculously overpriced, and their stuff is usually beat up. Just order from the internet. There are plenty of great stores out there like Bass Central, Bass Northwest, etc.
 
silent method said:
to the original poster,

you even said that you will go back later to buy the item, so what was the point in trying to raise a stink about it. obviously it wasn't that big of a thing as to make you take your $$$ elsewhere.

I'd rather shop alone, but had my 8 and 9 year old along. They're good kids - no whining or touching everything (obvious that we're not there for the kids). So rather than make them wait (along with myself), We hit the road after I fumed for a while. On the way I'm thinking "This will be great. A week day (slow) and I know what I want."
I will go back as it's only 10 mins. away and the price is right (I'm not that stubborn or dumb). I will look for a couple of guys that have been very helpful in the past. I did not see them there today, or I would have grabbed one in order to give them a sale. I figured that someone else would be along to help, as that's the way it's always been in the past. I will not give the commision to the two that saw me there. Maybe they had a shift change...
Now I know someone will say "OK - now it's fine to approach someone, and why didn't you do that before?? As I said, the 2 good salesman had initially approached me. Those are the ones I will seek out if they are there. Otherwise, I'm going to stand there and stare at my bass $&!! it!
Didn't realize such a cross view of opinions would come about. Of course the only correct ones are the ones that agree with me! :hiding:
In the end...I can't wait to bring it home.
Randy
 
I worked at Circuit City right after they got rid of commision sales. Best Buy was making that whole thing about not being pestered. It was interesting time in my opinion in regards to balance. It was hard to tell when someone needed help and when they felt like they were just going to be bothered. People still thought we were on commision so at times they could be ******** when you approached them. The company was trying to figure out it's policy.

Most of the time I'd say, "Hi," and figure they would say something then if they needed help. This wasn't always true. Despite the fact that you gave them a golden opportunity to ask for help, they wouldn't always take that opportunity. And then that same customer would bitch about service and such. Hard to satisfy all you guys.

I had a guy talk to my manager because I wasn't showing him the most expensive radios. I was trying to save the guy a buck or two and assessed his needs, but he seem to think he knew better than me. Obviously he wanted a $400 radio whether it would sound better than the $150 one or not. And instead of stating so, he just said, "You know what? Forget this!" and stormed off to the nearest manager and bitched and whined. I couldn't believe it.

I was trying to save the guy a buck or two and...I loss my train of thought. Damn work. Anyways, my manager wasn't even going to say anything to me until I asked what he said. He told me and didn't make a big deal out of it. I had another customer once that got pissed over stupid ****. She threatened me with the, "Well I could go to Best Buy..." and I said, "Sure you could," very casually. She stuck around for a few mores seconds then stomped over to my manager. He was a little pissed about that.
People are crazy. Just chill out and ask people for help. Does it hurt you that bad to do so?
 
I think this thread is yet further proof of what everyone already knows;

Most (not all) GC stores are staffed by punkass little twerps with lousy attitudes, who should never be allowed anywhere near a potential customer in the first place.

At least with MF the 'aggrivation factor' is all but eliminated.
 
Intrepid said:
Just chill out and ask people for help. Does it hurt you that bad to do so?
No, it doesn't, and of course none of this is a big deal really. Like I said, if I wanted the damn thing, I would do what it takes to get it.

Having said that, I can appreciate xring's point. It's about meaningful acknowledgement. Example:

You're standing in the store, and some guy walks and bumps into you because he wasn't paying attention or was distracted or whatever. The guy immediately says "Oh, sorry" and moves on. How are you gonna feel? Probably like it's nothing, because...well, it's nothing.

Same scenario except this time, the guy just looks at you (eye contact) and walks away. How are you gonna feel then? Probably like "Hey, ***, jack-ass...?" Why? It was the same bump after all. The difference is the acknowledgement.

The acknowledgement in xring's case would be along the lines of "Yes, I acknowledge that you are the customer and my job is to help you, I am at your service because, well, that's my job." If it's not then the store is basically a self-service store and people should walk in and grab and mess with whatever they want, which obviously is not the case.
 
As a former employee (twice) of guitar center, I am going to set you all straight about what it takes to get good service at GC and why.

Fact 1. Guitar center pays minimium wage.
and a commission so small that only someone very frugal or someone who lives with a roomate to split bills can afford work there, unless they are a VERY good salesman. ( I was living with a roomate, and I was a good salesman, so it worked out all right) Because of this there is high turnover.

Fact 2. Guitar Center employees are taught to make sure every customer gets a greeting at the door as well as when they enter a new section of the store. But due to fact 1 most employees haven't been around long enough to perfect this and other sales techniques, and many are punk kids who don't care.

Fact 3 The key to good service and good price is having a "guy". This is wheree it get's tricky, because in our gimmie gimmie world, most customers don't want to invest in a relationship with a salesperson. Here's how it works: within a couple of visits to your local GC, it will be clear which salespeople are knowlegable, professional, and interested in making sure you get the best product for your needs at the best price. When you find this salesperson, buy all your stuff from them. (you may have to find different salespeople in different departments.) When you want to get a bass/amp, etc call ahead. Find out if they are in and when they are, go in and make your purchase.

Fact 4 Being faithfull to your salesperson has big rewards. It is not out of line to ask for a hook-up from a salesperson you have bought from before, but be honest and actually make the effort to buy from the same salesperson and you will see significant rewards in terms of customer service and price.

Fact 5 Even if your "guy" quits...(which is probable)
let another salesman know that you bought all your stuff from so and so (they probably already know this as most employees remember the faces of which regular customers go to which salesman) and chances are if you have been a faithfull customer, they will offer to hook you up the way your old "guy" did, and voila you have a new "guy"

Fact 6 GC will always give you the best price.
You can get that best price by being a dick, harassing the salesman until he cries or by complaining to a manager. But if you have some dignity as a person, you can print up the lowest internet (authorized dealer of course) price you find and just show it to them. (if you have a "guy" this is not always necessary)

A few other tips.
1) If you are looking for a certain bass, and you don't want to special order it, (or it's used) GC can often search other stores for that instrument and will bring it into the store for you. Even though they will require money down you can still return the bass if you don' t like it and get your cash back. (bud don't be a jerk and do this if you aren't serious)

2) Some GC's do alot of vintage and used bussiness, and if you find a good salesman, let them know what you are looking for and if one comes in they will call you (this only works with long term professional GC employees each GC may only have a couple of these)


Conclusion. The service the person who started this post recieved was crap, and there was no excuse for it. GC should have done better, but by following the above steps, this incident would not have been an issue.

Sorry this went so long, I've been thinking alot about customer service, and this was my chance to collect my thoughts.
 
I can't believe GC would ignore you. My last visit to a GC in my homestate had the feel of an inquisition.

I'm a take matters into your own hands type of customer, so I wouldn't wait for any particular sales clerk unless they've been helpful from the beginning so they might receive the commission, or whatever.
 
Just yesterday I bought something from the PA room at the new local GC. I'd been in there twice before, just looking and had never seen a sales person in the room. When I decided on what I wanted, I proceeded to go into the next room and say to one of the counter people "Hey, I'm interested in something in the PA room, can you help me?"...10 minutes later I had not only cheezed them down from 500 to 400 bucks, but I'd paid for it and was headed out the door. No stress.

I too have worked in sales related jobs in the past...I always found the best way was to give a nod and a smile to anyone who looked standoffish to let them know I was there, and maybe in passing say to others "hey if I can do anything for ya, let me know..." then keep on moving...it lets people know you're there to help, but not to be pushy.

Also, some people come in with problems of their own, and you can't do anything right to help them, no matter what you say or do.