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Genesis

General agreement here -- I don't know a lot of the older Genesis material, but Trick of the Tail is one of my favorite albums. The 80s-and-onward pop stuff is OK, I kind of liked "That's All" and "Illegal Alien" and a couple others, but not really memorable and loyalty-winning.

And I should probably point out that, after the 90215 album, Yes pretty much started turning out pop-ish crap too. Just saying. And I love them.
 
Genesis was weird. Peter Gabriel was weird when he was with them. He is better as a solo artist. There was some interesting stuff with the old Genesis but it doesn't seem to hold up well today. Early Rush wasn't all that great either but they stayed together and produced some great music later on.
 
And I should probably point out that, after the 90215 album, Yes pretty much started turning out pop-ish crap too. Just saying. And I love them.

A lot of Rush fans would also say that every album since Power Windows has been a disappointment... though none would be considered "pop". At least they've made an effort to try and recapture their old sound somewhat in the past couple albums. Even though I'll still go see them on occasion, they lost me a while ago.

Also, agreed on Rutherford's playing. He's actually quite melodic and there are some pretty intricate runs and parts at times. The playing is definitely more an underneath part of the tapestry (in the older stuff at least). He also tended to play "more" on live stuff (and seemed to change it up quite often) than on recorded stuff. My band has been playing The Cage Medley (Cinema Show/Slipperman) into Afterglow (from Three Sides Live), and as simple as it sounds when listening to it, it's a decent workout. The post-Gabriel bass work became a bit more upfront/hooky as things moved on, and often more simplistic the more poppy it got for the most part.
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Also, agreed on Rutherford's playing. He's actually quite melodic and there are some pretty intricate runs and parts at times. The playing is definitely more an underneath part of the tapestry (in the older stuff at least).

Agreed. While not not as intricate as Squire and others his role was more supportive and balanced in the overall fabric, IMO. Playing the doubleneck guitar/bass is an excellent example.

I saw them in Boston, in the Gabriel days, in a theater setting. They definitely had a different thing going - I enjoyed them a lot. Both Rutherford and Hackett sat throughout most of the show, meaning Gabriel was the only one in the group standing :)
 
I actually think Genesis held truer to their origins than most people give them credit for. This includes my uncle, a musician who holds Gabriel Genesis in higher esteem than any other band. I tried explaining my position, but he didn't believe me. Even their most successful studio effort with Collins singing lead (Invisible Touch) has a ton of extended, abstract songs with multiple parts, catchy progressive hooks, and complex meters.
to me post gabriel genesis is like the michael mcdonald era doobies.........can't go there,not then,not now,not ever.....
 
Genesis was weird. Peter Gabriel was weird when he was with them. He is better as a solo artist. There was some interesting stuff with the old Genesis but it doesn't seem to hold up well today.

I kind of agree with this....I liked early Genesis, but "Trick of The Tail" was probably my favorite. Later Collins stuff just became too poppy, but some nice nuggets of brilliance spread throughout...."Home By The Sea", Mama", etc.
And to me, Gabriels early solo work, especially his first three solo albums, far surpassed his Genesis era material! Again, just my opinion...
 
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your *******. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
 
It's weird how how some old 60's/70's stuff ages better than others. Somebody asked me recently about going to a Gentle Giant partial tribute band show recently and I just couldn't get excited about it.

That said, there are a few early Genesis albums I still enjoy hearing from time to time, though not nearly as much as I did way back when.
 
Like many of you I'm a much bigger fan of the Gabriel era than everything after. Not just Gabriel himself (huge fan) but even the rest of the band seemed to have a more musical approach in the early stuff. Of course, i do love Cinema Show on Seconds out, with Bruford sitting in on drums. To the OP though, here on TB, Rutherford will never get the love that we have for Geddy and Squire. Those 2 guys are just too good. :bassist:
 
Ho-humm

I like all of Genesis, for various reasons.
But don't mistake Genesis for being Phil's backing band (nor Peter's for that matter) as they've always been a writer's collective. And the unbalanced amount of focus directed on the lead singer was the reason Peter left, as I recall.
Genesis isn't the band to listen to for flashy bass chops, though. There are other qualities in their music that overshadows that.
 

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