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Genesis

#43
genesis was never my all time favorite band but i liked some of their stuff, even with phil singing. a lot of people say he ruined them and the peter gabriel stuff was a lot better, but the phil stuff sold way better than the gabriel stuff, and in the end, the only thing that counts is sales.

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#45
Phil Collins busy day on 7/13/1985

Live Aid Concert(s)

Wembly:
Sting and Phil Collins (with Branford Marsalis) – "Roxanne", "Driven To Tears", "Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)", "Message in a Bottle", "In the Air Tonight", "Long Long Way To Go", "Every Breath You Take"

RFK:
Eric Clapton (with Phil Collins) – "White Room", "She's Waiting", "Layla" (JFK 00:39);
Phil Collins (having taken Concorde from UK to USA) – "Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)", "In the Air Tonight" (JFK 01:04);
Led Zeppelin Reunion – (with Jimmy Page., Robert Plant, John Paul Jones, Tony Thompson, Paul Martinez, and Phil Collins) – "Rock and Roll", "Whole Lotta Love", "Stairway to Heaven" (JFK 01:10);
 
#46
paul martinez was playing bass with them??? i know him! i met him in stuttgart a few years ago when he was playing with dave edmunds! hung out for hours at the bar at the hotel. killer bass player. he never mentioned that he played live aid with zeppelin, though. gee whiz!
 
#47
DiscoStu65 said:
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your *******. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
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:D:D:D

It seems to be the general feeling around her, but I too love everything up to And Then There Were Three. The Gabriel rea stuff is killer, 'The Fountain of Salmacis' and 'The Knife' are my faves. Weirdly though, I think the first two albums with Collins on vocals are probably their most accomplished albums, on the whole.

I think Mike Rutherford doesn't get as much attention as a bassist because he was more of a multi-instrumentalist who just happened to play bass most of the time. That's not to knock his skills though, he's not showy by any means but created some really unique and memorable lines. And Phil, what an amazing drummer - seriously.

I read something once that said when Peter Gabriel left Genesis, the band lost it's brain, but when Steve Hackett left, it lost it's heart.
 
#48
elros said:
Ho-humm

I like all of Genesis, for various reasons.
But don't mistake Genesis for being Phil's backing band (nor Peter's for that matter) as they've always been a writer's collective. And the unbalanced amount of focus directed on the lead singer was the reason Peter left, as I recall.
Genesis isn't the band to listen to for flashy bass chops, though. There are other qualities in their music that overshadows that.
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i dunno.....i have the live album with get 'em out by friday,and return of the giant hogweed,and there are some interesting bass lines there
 
#49
Listen to "Seconds Out" stem to stern. It's a classic album to this day. There's no pop tunes and the recording is incredible. There are moments when Rutherford absolutely smokes. I saw that tour live. and it was one of the best concerts I've ever been to. Phil played drums only sporadically with Chester Thompson mannig the kit all night.
 
#53
I'm guessing that most (not all) people who talk about Mike Rutherford not doing anything all that impressive have never really listened to much before Abacab. I'd say the band's albums up through The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway might change their minds.

Also, if you don't know much about their live shows back in the Peter Gabriel era, you'd be amazed at how much of their overall sound he (meaning Mike Rutherford) was responsible for, playing bass, guitar, and pedals.
 
#54
dave64o said:
I'm guessing that most (not all) people who talk about Mike Rutherford not doing anything all that impressive have never really listened to much before Abacab. I'd say the band's albums up through The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway might change their minds.
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dave64o said:
Also, if you don't know much about their live shows back in the Peter Gabriel era, you'd be amazed at how much of their overall sound he was responsible for, playing bass, guitar, and pedals.
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Yup. Like or dislike their "later" stuff, there is no denying that PG ear Genesis was *very* cool.
 
#56
elros said:
Ho-humm

I like all of Genesis, for various reasons.
But don't mistake Genesis for being Phil's backing band (nor Peter's for that matter) as they've always been a writer's collective. And the unbalanced amount of focus directed on the lead singer was the reason Peter left, as I recall.
Genesis isn't the band to listen to for flashy bass chops, though. There are other qualities in their music that overshadows that.
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There were plenty of great songs done with Phil doing vocals. I love 3 Sides Live. But towards the end, it was the Phil Collins show. Simple pop music.:hiding:
 
#59
... and the soul shaking rumble you feel when they reach that part of the song in concert is even better. Hearing that first note of the bass pedals and feeling the whole venue shudder was always one of my favorite things about a Genesis show, at least back when they were still playing songs from that era.
 
#60
Hoover said:
...I think the reason you don't see the rabid fanboy adulation for Genesis they way you do for Yes or Rush is because Genesis never possessed the kind of instrumental prowess that the musicians in Yes and Rush (arguably) do, and it is those sort of "athletic" displays that generate the most buzz on instrument-specific internet forums...
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Really? I've always admired everyone in that band for their superb musicianship!
 

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