It was proto-metal in that its rhythmic content scandalized some audience members and caused an uproar during its earliest performances.
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Genre defying artists
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Stravinsky pushed boundaries.
So did Bowie, early Genesis, Return to Forever, and Miles Davis.
Just don't get to comfortable in your box. expand the corners of it.
So did Bowie, early Genesis, Return to Forever, and Miles Davis.
Just don't get to comfortable in your box. expand the corners of it.
I was going to note (churlishly) that I don't hear much Velvets influence in the one piece i happen to own that was composed by Glenn Branca, but I didn't remember the opus number. (Found it in an "Any CD for 1 Dollar!" closeout bin; now buried in one of several boxes of disorganized jewel cases.)
So I listened to the first minute or so of a bunch of his earlier "Symphony No. . . . " .pieces, and you're absolutely right. Unmistakable VU DNA in those earlier works.
But I'm linking to Symphony No. 9 anyway, just because you and a few others might find it inspiring, if maddening, to listen to.
The Ascension is my jam. SY’s Lee Ranaldo was one of the players, and it’s just torrents of a guitar downpour in many places, jagged stabs in others.
OMG Scott Walker, from quirky '60s crooner to moody '80s atmospheres, on to doing an album with Sunn O)))!
Good to see Brian Eno mentioned more than a few times, talk about someone crossing, not to mention creating genres!
Miles Davis
Beck - sometime employer of TB's very own Justin Meldal-Johnsen, is the only person I think could credibly top the bill at rock/pop, folk/country, EDM, R&B/hip-hop, blues, and punk/noise festivals, and then finish it off with a night at the symphony!
Bjork
Good to see Brian Eno mentioned more than a few times, talk about someone crossing, not to mention creating genres!
Miles Davis
Beck - sometime employer of TB's very own Justin Meldal-Johnsen, is the only person I think could credibly top the bill at rock/pop, folk/country, EDM, R&B/hip-hop, blues, and punk/noise festivals, and then finish it off with a night at the symphony!
Bjork
I grew up as a prog rock guy (stuff like ELP, King Crimson, Rush, Yes, Genesis, etc) which if I had to group as a genre, I'd say progressive rock. For me, progressive is an adjective that can be applied to any genre where the artist is, in my mind, trying to push the boundaries of what their conventional genre would allow. So a band that is 'genre defying' to me would simply get the prog prefix added to it's closest common genre.
On the jazz side, something like Return to Forever would be a good example of progressive jazz. The trouble with anything that is 'progressive' or attempting to meld different genres together in a way is that which of these genres do you use as the main suffix. For instance, Opeth. Are they progressive metal? They could be progressive folk too. I kind of stopped trying to even use genre labels for prog bands a long time ago because it is futile in my opinion. The whole point of being progressive is always changing and pushing the boundaries so bands like Opeth, Steven Wilson, etc are often putting out albums that intentionally are not like the previous ones. The might have a poppy sounding album and then follow it up with a metal focused sound and then go folk the next time.
On the jazz side, something like Return to Forever would be a good example of progressive jazz. The trouble with anything that is 'progressive' or attempting to meld different genres together in a way is that which of these genres do you use as the main suffix. For instance, Opeth. Are they progressive metal? They could be progressive folk too. I kind of stopped trying to even use genre labels for prog bands a long time ago because it is futile in my opinion. The whole point of being progressive is always changing and pushing the boundaries so bands like Opeth, Steven Wilson, etc are often putting out albums that intentionally are not like the previous ones. The might have a poppy sounding album and then follow it up with a metal focused sound and then go folk the next time.
Joe Jackson. Punk Rock, New Wave, Reggae, Salsa, Swing Jazz, Symphony, Music Hall,...
Les, Ler, and John are the first band I thought of for this thread. Les himself said that Primus is a genre defying group.
Yes, you are right. There is a lot of confusion between prog and fusion. Prog did indeed fuse multiple musical genres to create its music, plus utilized much longer individual compositions, but fusion took it in a pretty singular direction, towards a harder jazz/metal sound. A friend recently sent me a clip of the first Mahavishnu concert we attended in '73 in Chicago, in a high school auditorium, filmed on Super8. Watching the short clip I realized how much of the energy came from the frenetic drumming of Billy Cobham, and the crazy fast shredding riffs John played. So I think that was a lot of the distinction between when something was prog version fusion. Hyperspace, versus normal space?
Scott had the most unique career/artistic trajectory ever. I can’t think of anyone else who could touch that.
While you are at it, can you find the guy who "decided" that The Band invented Americana? That's a guy I'd like to punch in the face. I heard that statement a bunch of times during a doc on The Band and I wanted to scream.
Man....they were just playing music, if you ask me.
LOVE the Meat Puppets!!! But man, when I first heard them in a buddies can back around '83, I didn't know WHAT was going on!
He was playing Meat Puppets II. I didn't get it at the time. I was like "Can you play some Sabbath, man?"Yeah, whoever said that about "The Band" obviously doesn't know what Americana is. It was and is the music from rural American, much of it from the plains states, settlers, dating back to the late 1800's. My first girlfriend in college was the leading singing student at the college music school, and went on to a career singing it. "This Land is Your Land...." is one example.While you are at it, can you find the guy who "decided" that The Band invented Americana? That's a guy I'd like to punch in the face. I heard that statement a bunch of times during a doc on The Band and I wanted to scream.
Man....they were just playing music, if you ask me.
LOVE the Meat Puppets!!! But man, when I first heard them in a buddies can back around '83, I didn't know WHAT was going on!
Some of The Band's influences definitely came from Americana, but they sure didn't "invent it."
Isn't the Band Canadian? So wouldn't they have claimed to invent Canadana? Which I would pronounce like Roseanne Rosannadanna?
Well, it kicked ass on my Marantz quadraphonic system. I think the only 2 albums that really utilized that format effectively were that and Miles' "Bitches Brew." Cannot remember another one, but perhaps those brain cell died? By the time "Dark Side of the Moon" came out Quad was dead and buried, but of course Floyd used it very well in live performances.
