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Genz Benz NeoX 212T vs GK 212

Thedaivisch

Thedaivisch

Sep 3, 2009
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#1
I currently have a Genz Benz GBE 750 pumping 400 watts into a gallien Krueger 212. Whilst I like the clean punchy as hell tone, it seems to be lacking a bit of natural low end to my ears. You can force a shedload out if you pump up the EQ, but flat, it sounds a little thin, especially after I A/B'd it against a Peavey 410, which had a natural fatness to it (though a relatively crappy top end).

Is it worth selling the GK212 (and loosing a chunk of cash on what is basically a brand new cab) and getting a GB neoX 212T?

Will this give me the bottom end and warmth Im looking for? (not to mention an extra 225 watts)

Dave
 
#2
The Neox-212T has lots of bottom. I wouldn't call it "warm" though. There's a too much clarity to my ears to call it that.
 
#7
I've got a pair of GK Neo2x12 II cabs and a single Genz Neox 212t. I've done some comparing, all with my VB2 so far but here's my impression:

The GB 212 does produce more lows. As a stand-alone, I think I like it better. The GK 212 sounds quite good and articulate, but doesn't seem to have the depth of the GB cab.

When I run both GK cabs off my amp at 4 ohms, it rules. All the low end I would ever need. They are so light it's really easy to bring both to a gig and stack them, though it looks rather menacing (unless you are in a band where other people use stacks)

The Genz cab initially left me cold when I used it with my Trace Elliot head which is why in part I went with the GK cabs. For some reason it sounds a lot better with my VB2. So good in fact, I have had thoughts about scoring a 2nd GB Neox212t since the VB2 can do 2 ohms. Two of those cabs side by side would not be much bigger than some 4x10's.

One Uber212 would probably get the job done, based on what I've heard. The Genz head and cabs may pair up better for you in the long run, too. Good luck.
 
#9
OK, I finally got the Genz. My conclusions are:
It has a much richer, bigger sound with greater depth and bigger natural bottom end.
The tweeter is much sweeter sounding, it still sounds nice at full wack with a very trebly bass going into it. The tweeter on the GK is quite harsh and nasty sounding at high volumes.
It's just as light and easy to transport.
It's not as naturally bright sounding, but that's no bad thing, it's still got bags of clarity and the GK has a bit of an aggressive high mid hump, which isn't usually desirable, especially if your bass is naturally bright.
Only downside is, it's not as pretty.

Basically it kicks ass! An amazingly rich and detailed sounding cab which really cuts through. Can also be very fat and warm sounding. I'm glad I swapped!
 
#10
Thedaivisch said:
I currently have a Genz Benz GBE 750 pumping 400 watts into a gallien Krueger 212. Whilst I like the clean punchy as hell tone, it seems to be lacking a bit of natural low end to my ears. You can force a shedload out if you pump up the EQ, but flat, it sounds a little thin, especially after I A/B'd it against a Peavey 410, which had a natural fatness to it (though a relatively crappy top end).

Is it worth selling the GK212 (and loosing a chunk of cash on what is basically a brand new cab) and getting a GB neoX 212T?

Will this give me the bottom end and warmth Im looking for? (not to mention an extra 225 watts)

Dave
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What your amp sounds like flat is meaningless if it has the ability to sound like you want with the eq.

The "flat" sound of a cabinet is different to everyone.

Do not waste your time chasing the "flat" tone dragon; if it sounds good and is loud enough as is, just stop it.

edit: woops, I am too late :)
 
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Thedaivisch said:
OK, I finally got the Genz. My conclusions are:
It has a much richer, bigger sound with greater depth and bigger natural bottom end.
The tweeter is much sweeter sounding, it still sounds nice at full wack with a very trebly bass going into it. The tweeter on the GK is quite harsh and nasty sounding at high volumes.
It's just as light and easy to transport.
It's not as naturally bright sounding, but that's no bad thing, it's still got bags of clarity and the GK has a bit of an aggressive high mid hump, which isn't usually desirable, especially if your bass is naturally bright.
Only downside is, it's not as pretty.

Basically it kicks ass! An amazingly rich and detailed sounding cab which really cuts through. Can also be very fat and warm sounding. I'm glad I swapped!
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+1, just the way I would describe mine, except I find it a bit awkward rolling it around with something op top. you have to get the balance right, but you are still kind of fighting it. Other than that, it's all good.
 
#13
rpsands said:
What your amp sounds like flat is meaningless if it has the ability to sound like you want with the eq.

The "flat" sound of a cabinet is different to everyone.

Do not waste your time chasing the "flat" tone dragon; if it sounds good and is loud enough as is, just stop it.

edit: woops, I am too late :)
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Yeah, I can see that. I still prefer it if I like the natural character of an amp/speaker EQ or not, so you've got a better clean slate to start from, if that makes sense. I was never fully happy with the character of the GK. It always sounded slightly "harsh." Plus the Genz cab means I'm putting out 625 watts, whereas the GK was only putting 400, which wasn't always enough. Even in rehearsal I was getting the clip limit light coming on on occasions!
 
#15
JimmyM said:
the cabs take the power, they don't put it out. the amp puts it out. your little nitpicky factoid of the day ;)
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Agreed. The amp puts out X number iof watts into X number of ohms load. Doesn't matter what wattage the cab is rated for.

My NEOX 112T puts out plenty of bottom for my situation. But I have heard that the UBer 410 is a killer. Ed Friedland has a video review of up somewhere.
 
#17
The NeoX 212T or the Uber 212?

While I don't disagree with RPSands, I tend to take the approach you do. I want it to sound pretty good flat so I have an easy place to start for "sanity" checks.

KO

Thedaivisch said:
OK, I finally got the Genz. My conclusions are:
It has a much richer, bigger sound with greater depth and bigger natural bottom end.
The tweeter is much sweeter sounding, it still sounds nice at full wack with a very trebly bass going into it. The tweeter on the GK is quite harsh and nasty sounding at high volumes.
It's just as light and easy to transport.
It's not as naturally bright sounding, but that's no bad thing, it's still got bags of clarity and the GK has a bit of an aggressive high mid hump, which isn't usually desirable, especially if your bass is naturally bright.
Only downside is, it's not as pretty.

Basically it kicks ass! An amazingly rich and detailed sounding cab which really cuts through. Can also be very fat and warm sounding. I'm glad I swapped!
Click to expand...
 
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JimmyM said:
the cabs take the power, they don't put it out. the amp puts it out. your little nitpicky factoid of the day ;)
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mccartneyman said:
Agreed. The amp puts out X number iof watts into X number of ohms load. Doesn't matter what wattage the cab is rated for.


Jaco who? said:
I think "Thedaivisch" is talking about an 8 ohm vs. a 4 ohm load.
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Yep, I was :) I meant the amp is putting out 400 watts with the 8 ohm load of the GK speaker and 625 watts with the Genz.
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