If UPS can maintain its schedule (tall order I know), I will be receiving my Shuttle 6.0 Tuesday. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas! Bigfatbass, you and Harleyy pushed me over the edge!
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Genz-Benz Shuttle Megathread
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I was at The Bass Place in Scottsdale today and tried both the 6.0-210T and the 3.0-10T. For my needs at church, the 3.0-10T is going to be just the ticket! I can't believe how light it weighs, yet how heavy it sounds! I was rattling the walls/windows at the store with only 175W through that single neo 10".
The only thing I didn't like on both units is the hi freq. attack switch - it made the amp hiss through the horn at all times and was too "shrill" sounding for my tastes. However, I could add some highs from the active EQ instead and get great results. The other two shaping switches offered very nice character to the tone.
The 6.0 with 2x10 combo obviously offered more volume and headroom, and the tube can warm things up, though I didn't care for the tube gain cranked up. I find the tube overdrive in my SWR Mo' Bass and the 750x I used to own to sound better. But for just warming things up a little, the tube in the 6.0 does a fantastic job!
With both combos, I could get the speakers to fart out, but only if I abusively cranked the pre and post levels. The 3.0-10T can only be run a little past noon with only a single 10 before farting out, but that was definitely more volume than I would ever need anyway. Pulling the volume back slightly and it was able to nicely handle the low B on a Warwick Streamer $$ in full, all-coils on, humbucking mode!
The strange thing is, I think I actually preferred the tone of the FET pre and single 10/micro tweeter/micro rear-ported cab of the 3.0-10T combo. It could shake the room (especially with the low boost switch adding a nice sub harmonic rumble), yet sound so clean and cutting, or scoop the mids with the switch and it comes alive with musical character! The 6.0 can also clean up, but the 110 cab seemed to be more focused. Both combos had plenty of punch!
But at only 18lbs. vs. 41lbs, I am sold on the 3.0-10T combo. For any larger gigs, I am happy with my SWR Mo' Bass/Goliath III rig. But for church, where we move from sanctuary to choir room and back to sanctuary and arrange different setup positions from one end of the platform to the other for different presentations, I need an 18lb. "giant"!
PS: I love the look of Liam's "ministack" (or should that be "microstack"?). Boosting the power to 300W, more headroom, killer look, and light as a feather. Life doesn't get any better...
The only thing I didn't like on both units is the hi freq. attack switch - it made the amp hiss through the horn at all times and was too "shrill" sounding for my tastes. However, I could add some highs from the active EQ instead and get great results. The other two shaping switches offered very nice character to the tone.
The 6.0 with 2x10 combo obviously offered more volume and headroom, and the tube can warm things up, though I didn't care for the tube gain cranked up. I find the tube overdrive in my SWR Mo' Bass and the 750x I used to own to sound better. But for just warming things up a little, the tube in the 6.0 does a fantastic job!
With both combos, I could get the speakers to fart out, but only if I abusively cranked the pre and post levels. The 3.0-10T can only be run a little past noon with only a single 10 before farting out, but that was definitely more volume than I would ever need anyway. Pulling the volume back slightly and it was able to nicely handle the low B on a Warwick Streamer $$ in full, all-coils on, humbucking mode!
The strange thing is, I think I actually preferred the tone of the FET pre and single 10/micro tweeter/micro rear-ported cab of the 3.0-10T combo. It could shake the room (especially with the low boost switch adding a nice sub harmonic rumble), yet sound so clean and cutting, or scoop the mids with the switch and it comes alive with musical character! The 6.0 can also clean up, but the 110 cab seemed to be more focused. Both combos had plenty of punch!
But at only 18lbs. vs. 41lbs, I am sold on the 3.0-10T combo. For any larger gigs, I am happy with my SWR Mo' Bass/Goliath III rig. But for church, where we move from sanctuary to choir room and back to sanctuary and arrange different setup positions from one end of the platform to the other for different presentations, I need an 18lb. "giant"!
PS: I love the look of Liam's "ministack" (or should that be "microstack"?). Boosting the power to 300W, more headroom, killer look, and light as a feather. Life doesn't get any better...
A friend just suggested a red sharpie. I'm gonna try that first, before anything as drastic as the nail polish.
Yeah, I'll get right on that solution, lol.
Just use those black plastic duct tape. You can always peel it off with out leaving any mark like sharpie.
Funny, as I read your post I was going to chime in about the STL10t extension. Seems that I don't need to ...
I've played the Shuttle 6.0-210t combo, and I also prefer my setup. It's funny ... the ministack is about 8 pounds lighter, and has 75 less watts (i.e., no audible volume difference, unless there are significant SPL differences between the cabs). FET versus tube pre. About the same price. The big difference -- beside the tube, of course -- is extensibility. I do think the 210 combo on top of a Neox112t would be an absolute *bomb* . I think that will end up being a combination that more than one player gravitates toward. Aggressive punch from the 210, and full-range richness and lows from the Neox112t.Can't wait for someone to review that combination!
Cheers
Funny, as I read your post I was going to chime in about the STL10t extension. Seems that I don't need to ...
Can't wait for someone to review that combination!
Cheers
No doubt! If I was going to replace my SWR rig, I would definitely aim for a 6.0-210T with a NEOX112T, but for the application, the 3.0-10T is perfect. I'm going to try and get one before we play our Easter cantata at church...
Christmas came yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My 6.0 AND my Lakland fretless both arrived.
Took the 6.0 shuttle and 112 Neox cab to rehearsal last night and now I have created another problem...... I'm gonna have to G.A.S. for basses, cause my amp wants have all been met!!!!!! OH MY GOODNESS.. the 6.0/112 small combo had headroom for days and was thick as the proverbial brick. I cant believe the sound that pairing gives... thick, rick, buttery, then add a little tube grit and get all the way to doen and dirty R&R baby!!!!! .. of course this was the praise band and we WERE at church so we definitely didnt let loose a killer version of 'sing like the saved'... LOL....
I just need a little more time to play with the eq on this 6.0 to find out ALL it CAN do. It is more than just the 3.0 on steroids, it is incredible!!!!
More reports to come on the 3.08T 'mini-monster' combo and the addition of the 112 cab, the 6.0/112 pairing, and the 6.0/212 Neox... now those are my hardest decisions - which do I take out to play?!?!??
... and the fretless, well once I figure out how to play it.....
Took the 6.0 shuttle and 112 Neox cab to rehearsal last night and now I have created another problem...... I'm gonna have to G.A.S. for basses, cause my amp wants have all been met!!!!!! OH MY GOODNESS.. the 6.0/112 small combo had headroom for days and was thick as the proverbial brick. I cant believe the sound that pairing gives... thick, rick, buttery, then add a little tube grit and get all the way to doen and dirty R&R baby!!!!! .. of course this was the praise band and we WERE at church so we definitely didnt let loose a killer version of 'sing like the saved'... LOL....
I just need a little more time to play with the eq on this 6.0 to find out ALL it CAN do. It is more than just the 3.0 on steroids, it is incredible!!!!
More reports to come on the 3.08T 'mini-monster' combo and the addition of the 112 cab, the 6.0/112 pairing, and the 6.0/212 Neox... now those are my hardest decisions - which do I take out to play?!?!??
... and the fretless, well once I figure out how to play it.....
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lol...welcome to the land of dilema... for my regualr gig I use the 212. For other gigs that stay a bit more sane, the 112. Saturday night I am with the T.O.P. band and I will use the 6.0 for the forst time with them. I may do dual 112's for the extras bang for the Rocco stuff
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Quick question......
Can you use the 6.0 as just a pre-amp without harming it????? (not plugged into a speaker cab)
I'm sure you can. Just asking though.
Can you use the 6.0 as just a pre-amp without harming it????? (not plugged into a speaker cab)
I'm sure you can. Just asking though.
MikeBass
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Used the DI on the 6.0 for the first time tonight.
It's making a weird sound sorta like when your stuck between to FM stations with a 60 cycle hum in there too.
Bet it's something simple. But it was driving our FOH guy nuts. Had to gate the snot out of it. (Our FOH board is the Yamaha PM1D- just about the best FOH digital board on the market, so we know it wasn't from there- it would go away when the same line was unplugged and plugged into a Radial DI)
It was just a working rehearsal for our Easter services, but none-the-less, it makes noise.
Again, not a deal breaker, I'm gonna bring my GT Tube DI to the next rehearsal.
The GBE1200 we have is dead quiet. I may use that rig with the NEOX212, but our stage set is pretty elaborate and space is a commodity. Things have to be kinda hidden in a way.
Already set a PM to the GB boys. I'm sure it's something silly.
BTW- used it as the Shuttle combo (112) not just as a pre-amp.
It's making a weird sound sorta like when your stuck between to FM stations with a 60 cycle hum in there too.
Bet it's something simple. But it was driving our FOH guy nuts. Had to gate the snot out of it. (Our FOH board is the Yamaha PM1D- just about the best FOH digital board on the market, so we know it wasn't from there- it would go away when the same line was unplugged and plugged into a Radial DI)
It was just a working rehearsal for our Easter services, but none-the-less, it makes noise.
Again, not a deal breaker, I'm gonna bring my GT Tube DI to the next rehearsal.
The GBE1200 we have is dead quiet. I may use that rig with the NEOX212, but our stage set is pretty elaborate and space is a commodity. Things have to be kinda hidden in a way.
Already set a PM to the GB boys. I'm sure it's something silly.
BTW- used it as the Shuttle combo (112) not just as a pre-amp.
RSBL's in full effect! The close-up picture is really cool I think. It's my Neo-pak's LED's reflecting off the BTB. This was in the studio a couple weeks ago when we were recording, and we had a photographer come in to do some random shots for the CD liner.
I should have some MP3's soon to show off the DI which I used exclusively throughout for the new album. I had hoped to mic the 112, but the room was too small and couldn't really control the bleed over.
I should have some MP3's soon to show off the DI which I used exclusively throughout for the new album. I had hoped to mic the 112, but the room was too small and couldn't really control the bleed over.
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Did you try notice any difference between the DI's ground and ground lift switch positions? Were you sending the signal to the 1D as a line or mic level signal? Was the signal clean over the hum? If you were sending a line level signal, did the FOH engineer know to expect line level? Were there 1 or 2 control surfaces and was the split within the 1D stage box (& processor)? Is the 1D a V1 or V2, and does it have ground lift switches on the input panel?
Be sure both the lift switch on the input panel and the lift switch on the amp are not both in the lift position or there will be a noise problem. There can also be a noise problem if the AC power has a missing ground and either the amp or the console ground switches are lifted. These noise causes can not be corrected for by conventional means. A mic cable with an open shield can also cause noise problems that can't be cured with a ground lift switch.
In a few very specific instances where a 1:1 isolation transformer with dual electrostatic shields can make all the difference in the world in solving these kinds of problems that nothing else will. This is something I custom build as a special solution, generally for the touring guys.
See if the above info helps narrow down the issue.
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We tried both ground lift positions on both the board and the amp.
Used both mic & line -I think we ended up using the mic (I'll check it today where it was set)level because that got the signal up higher than the "noise"- but the signal was clean.
As for the version- I assume they updated it to V2- but I don't know 100%, I'll find out.
Swapped out the cable and it was still there, but gone with the other DI.
I don't think the ground is missing from the AC. We have a lot of equipment running in that place, and it's fairly a new (and huge!) church/auditorium.
I'll forward this on the Tim our FOH guy and get more specific answers and PM ya.
Thanks!! (now THATS service!!!)
That's me convinced. Anyone know of any US dealers that ship world-wide and have them in stock?
I've been a/b'ing the LMII and GB shuttle 6 for the past couple weeks and while I was originally taken by the simplicity and clarity of LMII's tone, the more time I spend with the GB, the more I've learned my way around the controls and how to conjur up a range of sounds that work for me (and I'm not 100% sure the LMII can deliver) and for my larger rig--currently a Berg AE410. (Hasbeen and Aged Horse, it was masterstroke to put that headphone jack on the back! Very conducive for late night tone experimentation.)
It's been nice to have two light amps to a/b and I already have a lead-sled back-up if I need it. I think the LMII's going back.
You guys have any (MTBF) data on the Shuttle's reliability? Will it still work if the the tube blows?
Thanks GB guys for a great amp and to Rocket Music where I bought it!
It's been nice to have two light amps to a/b and I already have a lead-sled back-up if I need it. I think the LMII's going back.
You guys have any (MTBF) data on the Shuttle's reliability? Will it still work if the the tube blows?
Thanks GB guys for a great amp and to Rocket Music where I bought it!
Just got a 3.0 10 T combo.
I had to laugh when I started playing this amp.
As everyone says, a huge sound from a tiny package.
I like the bass, and treble boost.
I don't find the mid boost as usable. ( a little harsh)
I wanted the 3.0 10 T for playing with my acoustic trio. (guitar, bass, and Harp)
Will pickup a 10" extension cab down the road.
For gigs with a drummer.
These things are the bomb.
Just got a 3.0 10 T combo.
I had to laugh when I started playing this amp.
As everyone says, a huge sound from a tiny package.
I like the bass, and treble boost.
I don't find the mid boost as usable. ( a little harsh)
I wanted the 3.0 10 T for playing with my acoustic trio. (guitar, bass, and Harp)
Will pickup a 10" extension cab down the road.
For gigs with a drummer.
These things are the bomb.
I use my 3.0 10T with a 4 piece - guitar, keys and drums and it's fine. I played a jazz trio gig last night - background music but in a huge ballroom and it worked great all by itself.
I thought I'd have to get an extension cab but I'm holding off for a while until I find I really need one.
I LOVE the one trip load in/out.
Not to fuel the fire, but you can still do a one trip load in/out even with the extension.
But the combo by itself is extremely capable, no doubt.
Cheers
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