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Genz Benz Streamliner Part 3!!!!

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#706
KJung said:
It was very strange indeed. Fabulous sounding box (and I'm not the typical 'Genz guy' who thinks every single piece of new gear that Genz puts out is the 'gosh gollyest best amp ever':D This one is a REALLY good sounding unit IMO and IME.
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Hell, you may not remember Ken, but a few years back at LDS, I ordered a Epifani 310UL (a Series 1).
Had one of the speakers wired out of phase.
Things happen.

I don't know how many have shipped/sold, but I haven't heard of any other problems at all.
 
#707
Ukiah Bass said:
If anyone has played a Streamliner and a fEarful type cab, please share your reactions. Thanks.
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My reaction - it makes the booty shake.
Very warm, amazing and rich low end, very articulate throughout.

FWIW, the SL900 is also an amazing match with my BFM Omni10.
The fullness of the lows of the SL900 really fills out the O10's low end (which was a little light to my ear) and the natural low-mid emphasis of the O10 balances the slight mid-scoop I find in the SL900. Amazing combo.

The nEarful more naturally plays to the "slight mid-scoop" of the SL900 but note that you can EQ the mids back in pretty easily.

So back to your question - SL900 and fEarful/nEarful 15/6/1 - oomph city, baby.

<edit>You're in Ukiah - if you ever want to come down to Santa Cruz area, you're welcome to try it out.
(Shameless plug - my Funk band is playing at Coasters on the boardwalk in Santa Cruz this Friday (2/18) - great chance to hear this rig!)
 
#708
kesslari said:
My reaction - it makes the booty shake.
Very warm, amazing and rich low end, very articulate throughout.

FWIW, the SL900 is also an amazing match with my BFM Omni10.
The fullness of the lows of the SL900 really fills out the O10's low end (which was a little light to my ear) and the natural low-mid emphasis of the O10 balances the slight mid-scoop I find in the SL900. Amazing combo.

The nEarful more naturally plays to the "slight mid-scoop" of the SL900 but note that you can EQ the mids back in pretty easily.

So back to your question - SL900 and fEarful/nEarful 15/6/1 - oomph city, baby.

<edit>You're in Ukiah - if you ever want to come down to Santa Cruz area, you're welcome to try it out.
(Shameless plug - my Funk band is playing at Coasters on the boardwalk in Santa Cruz this Friday (2/18) - great chance to hear this rig!)
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Thanks for that, mate!

I play my LDS 15/6 and 12/6 cabs with a Euphonic Audio iAMP Pro, which is an FET-produced very clean, clear sound. Perfect for my acoustic bass guitar. Sometimes I use an SIB Fatdrive with my electric P bass. The Fatdrive is a single tube preamp with clean signal boost. I'm especially curious to hear player reactions for those who have gigged the fEarfuls with both the clean FET sound vs. Streamliner tube. Thanks again!
 
#710
Ed is playing a Carvin w/jazz pups in his video. I'm not a J-bass kinda guy, but my passive P just kills through the S900. Between the P-bass, Roscoes, and Rob Allen, the P-bass sounds the best and is just magical. That is with Berg AE cabs.
 
#711
KJung said:
The Streamliner 900 seemed to have, again, more output that most would ever need, but it did not give me the feel or girth of a DB750 or Mesa M9 IMO and IME.
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Gotta disagree with you on the M9, but the choice of cabs and tonal taste may account for a bit of the difference in our opinions. The M9 definitely has more "urgency" to my ear vs. the Streamliner's "cush", but for my desired tone I found them to be very similar, and I daresay that the SL has a bigger low end when dialed in how I like it.
 
#712
KsPiNeSh said:
Gotta disagree with you on the M9, but the choice of cabs and tonal taste may account for a bit of the difference in our opinions. The M9 definitely has more "urgency" to my ear vs. the Streamliner's "cush", but for my desired tone I found them to be very similar, and I daresay that the SL has a bigger low end when dialed in how I like it.
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Definitely a totally different vibe.... +1. Closer to a big honkin' Walkabout than the M6/M9.

And, so hard to determine max volume, given the greatly different master volume tapers, and probably needing multiple 410's to really actually use the full power of the M9, etc., etc.
 
#713
I have found that the SL900 has a huge bottom compared to many other amps.. Its not an EQ'ed low end but rather an extended deep low that just doesnt roll off like other amps do.. More like a pro piece of audio gear...
And at an all 12:00 it has a bigger bottom then the MAX.. Nothing at all like the MAX which is also a fine amp... The only similarity to a MAX is the Input GAIN button. Its stops there.. Period!
I'm digging the full sound of this amp.. and bringing it with me to some gigs i have coming up in the Monaco and France...
Of course you can roll off the bass control if you want. I prefer to do that if i have to on certain cabs when i travel.
Im enjoying the clean tone and clarity of the SL900. And use the 600 Mid boost a little on my cabs.

Im not into those typewriter clikity claky type sounds . But I like full definition in mids with a sheen top and ROUND bottom.. So far this amp delivers..

I find that I am able to get the Lee Sklar recorded type tone from this amp which is my FAV...
Lee is my favorite player of all time, very cool and one of the best tones in my opinion.....

I would love to see a MAX SL one day. So if i need to run two 810 (or equiv) on some gigs i can do it with one amp..

Or just use IEMs with the SL being my IEM voice...:hyper:
 
#714
This talk about extended lows on the Streamliner is curious....

Previous GB amps, like the GBE1200 and Shuttle 6.0, had a fairly steep and relatively high roll-off in the lows, giving them them a "lean and tight" bottom. It would be interesting to know the corner and slope of the high-pass filter used in the Streamliner. Knowing how GB tends to design things, I have a hunch that it is still set high enough to protect speakers from excessive excursion. Also, sometimes psychoacoustics can fool you into thinking that the second harmonic is the octave-deeper fundamental. Wonder if there isn't a bit of second harmonic distortion contributing to the fullness.
 
#715
12bass said:
This talk about extended lows on the Streamliner is curious....

Previous GB amps, like the GBE1200 and Shuttle 6.0, had a fairly steep and relatively high roll-off in the lows, giving them a them "lean and tight" bottom. It would be interesting to know the corner and slope of the high-pass filter used in the Streamliner. Knowing how GB tends to design things, I have a hunch that it is still set high enough to protect speakers from excessive excursion. Also, sometimes psychoacoustics can fool you into thinking that the second harmonic is the octave-deeper fundamental. Wonder if there isn't a bit of second harmonic distortion contributing to the fullness.
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I have played the GBE 1200 for the past couple of years, and I agree that it does have a very tight bottom, not boomy at all. I love that about that amp.

However, what I noticed immediately upon plugging into the SL900 is that the bottom is significantly deeper, but yet still without boominess and is still tight and clear. I don't know if that is a fundamental frequency extension, or if it is instead a secondary frequency, but whatever it is, it kills.

Of course, unlike Ken, I AM admittedly one of "those guys" who thinks everything Genz Benz makes ("that I have tried") is golly gee whiz awesome, so what do I know?:D

I haven't tried any of the other micro amps Genz makes, nor have I tried any other cabs aside from my Uber 410, so ignorance is truly bliss!;)
 
#718
Any theories on how the Streamliner will work for upright bass/doubling? Is anyone able to compare/contrast the SL vs. Shuttle regarding upright bass yet?
 
#719
BuffaloBob4343 said:
I have played the GBE 1200 for the past couple of years, and I agree that it does have a very tight bottom, not boomy at all. I love that about that amp.

However, what I noticed immediately upon plugging into the SL900 is that the bottom is significantly deeper, but yet still without boominess and is still tight and clear. I don't know if that is a fundamental frequency extension, or if it is instead a secondary frequency, but whatever it is, it kills.
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Been playing and gigging my GBE 1200 for 5 years now, and I agree completely with those statements... the lows sound great, with (to my ear) minimal if any flub or waste.
 
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