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Genz Benz Streamliner Part 3!!!!
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For what it's worth, I just talked to Mike. He said there are 17 900s on a truck between Nashville and his store and he'll be shipping them out as soon as they arrive. I ordered 13 days ago and he told me I was definitely in that batch.
BTW, I'm not disputing whatever experience anyone else on here has had with Mike and YOMS, but he's been totally cool and straight-up with me from the beginning. When I placed my order, he said it might be a couple weeks before he could ship, and that looks like it's going to be pretty accurate.
I've called Mike twice since I ordered to check on status, and both times he answered the phone, had my order info right at hand, and was happy to give me an update.
As far as selling below MAP, that's apparently his business model, and if it works for him I'm happy to get the discount. If Genz had a problem with it, presumably they wouldn't list YOMS on their website as the only authorized Genz dealer in South Carolina.
Anyway, not trying to get into any hassle with anybody, just wanted to share my experience and perhaps offer another perspective. Of course, if my amp doesn't show up, I may have to reconsider . . .
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Nope. Blatant speculation based on amplifying DB using other rigs with abundant bass.
I'd be very pleased if the Streamliner sounds as good amplifying DB as the Sadowsky SA200 does in the YouTube clip provided by Tom Bowlus and Phil Maneri:
Well, there is a whole body of law on resale price maintenance, and I'm no expert, but I think setting MAP is generally OK (or at least legal). Of course, sellers are allowed to sell below MAP if they want to.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to get into a discussion of antitrust law, I was just responding to some of the comments on here suggesting that YOMS was doing something unethical by selling under MAP, or that those who bought from them were doing something unethical by taking advantage of that low price.
From my POV, YOMS and those of us who bought from them are just responding to a competitive marketplace in a way that makes sense for us. Anybody who wanted their amp immediately was free to pay a bit more and buy from another source.
Anyway, enough on that -- not trying to derail discussion of the amp.
No it's not.
MAP only refers to published pricing... not the selling price.
IMHO (!!), even if a minimum selling price is encouraged or even somehow enforced by the OEM, it has more to do with brand value preservation than being anti-consumer/competition.
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There is not the roll off as you described in the SL.. like i posted, it is extended down deep and round .. without EQ.. Significantly different than the GBE.. similar but not the same as when the global Lows are engaged.... But it does not sound EQ'ed/ Just round .
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No it isn't (depending on your definition). A manufacturer can enforce pricing - Bergantino comes to mind. It is all about brand value, and also helps to ensure long term value for manufacturer, vendor, and customer.
People can make their own choices as the market provides them. I personally prefer to establish a relationship with a shop, and don't put low price at the top of my priority list. I've found that for the long haul, having a relationship with a shop provides me with more value than saving $50 or so up front on the initial purchase. Other people want the absolute lowest price and don't care about other factors. And that is ok...they can speak with their wallet.
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Jazzdogg
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With some rigs that has worked just fine for me. With others, not so much. Lots of variability from amp to amp, IME.
Well, it's much more complicated than that, with federal law on resale price maintenance in flux, and a myriad of state laws. Here is a good summary of recent developments: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed].
In any event, setting a MAP is not the same as resale price maintenance. Also, RPM requires an agreement between a mfr and a reseller. A mfr is free to simply choose not to supply a reseller who sells below list price without any agreement in place.
Anyway, this is turning into a total derail, so I apologize for whatever part I had in raising the issue. Obviously I'm in no position to tell others what to post, but the topic does not seem worth discussing further in a thread about an amp.
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that can be good at times..
You didn't read my post. MAP does not determine selling price.
Also, if a manufacturer sets a minimum price that's not price fixing as in anti-trust. Anti-trust also carries collusion... you'd have to have multiple vendors of similar things colluding behind the scenes to drive prices up by using that collusion to assure nobody can lower their price... THAT's anti-trust. MSP is all about brand preservation, not anti-trust. In other words, I don't think GB is calling GK and making "secret deals" about setting pricing.
Yeah I called Mike after I posted and he told me the same thing. He said there may be a few 600's on the truck so we'll see. Crossing my fingers. Not impatiant either just wanted to hear the scoop since I haven't been calling and bugging Mike, he has been totally fine to deal with. Back to the amp discussion.
I am curious if there is anyone playing one of these with any gear like I am running, a traben bass or Hartke cab? I haven't heard yet.
I am curious if there is anyone playing one of these with any gear like I am running, a traben bass or Hartke cab? I haven't heard yet.
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Nope. Blatant speculation based on amplifying DB using other rigs with abundant bass.
I'd be very pleased if the Streamliner sounds as good amplifying DB as the Sadowsky SA200 does in the YouTube clip provided by Tom Bowlus and Phil Maneri:
I'm thinking that this amp might make a great DB amp because of those deep lows. I play guts/obligatos on my DB, and I really want lots of deep, round, tone with plenty of thump. Think Bob Moore, Junior Husky, etc. I'm curious how a HPF would benefit with this amp. Your thoughts?
I have no questions at all that this amp would be a great match for my P Bass and my Ibanez. Plus, it's much more portable than a rack-mounted Peavey Tour 700 (which needs to stay in the band trailer with my Dietz 1x15 and SWR 4x10 for the roadies to carry).
For those that would like to know the Streamliner 900 works superb with Upright Bass.
I never leave home without my Fdeck. I used my Liner with my UB the other day. I set the amp flat and used my Fdeck to tailor the lowend for my cab/tastes.
I suppose I could try it without the Fdeck. I'm confident it would work well. I just Velcro my Fdeck to my Bass tail piece and it makes it much easier for me to control the low end without running back to my amp.
FWIW I use a carved top Wilfur with a Realist PUP.
I never leave home without my Fdeck. I used my Liner with my UB the other day. I set the amp flat and used my Fdeck to tailor the lowend for my cab/tastes.
I suppose I could try it without the Fdeck. I'm confident it would work well. I just Velcro my Fdeck to my Bass tail piece and it makes it much easier for me to control the low end without running back to my amp.
FWIW I use a carved top Wilfur with a Realist PUP.
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