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Genz-Benz Streamliner Part 5

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#881
Hi, sorry for my bad english , I'm from Corsica .
I've ashuttle 6.0 , very happy with this head , I play a Jazz Pastorius fretted Bass , sometimes a 71 P bass and I'm waiting for a Rob Allen Mouse 30 fretless .
Has anyone compared a shuttle/streamliner with an acoustic bass , or fretless bass like the rob allen .
I think the shuttle is more versatile than the streamliner to use with this 3 basses , but I'd like to have the opinion of an user .
thanks
 
#882
corsicangroove said:
Hi, sorry for my bad english , I'm from Corsica .
I've ashuttle 6.0 , very happy with this head , I play a Jazz Pastorius fretted Bass , sometimes a 71 P bass and I'm waiting for a Rob Allen Mouse 30 fretless .
Has anyone compared a shuttle/streamliner with an acoustic bass , or fretless bass like the rob allen .
I think the shuttle is more versatile than the streamliner to use with this 3 basses , but I'd like to have the opinion of an user .
thanks
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Search for posts from "nostatic" on this thread and the previous one (Part 4). He has written a lot on using his Shuttle with his Rob Allen fretless.
 
#885
MikeBass said:
What do these things look like fired up? A mad scientists lab or something?;)
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Actually they look quite different. The tubes are much much brighter than a regular 12ax7. The deal is (not sure I'll get this right) there are two micro cathode ray tubes inside instead of electrons flowing from traditional tube innards. You can see the beam flowing from the electron gun. It's pretty cool.

The light show aside these tubes are less micro phonic and have this extra warmness yet 3d quality to them. Plus they were designed to last 10,000 hours. The parts on the inside are made out of some kind of stainless alloy.

Before Blackburn went belly up they were tweaking these tubes to our requests. They could be high gain, low gain, bright, dark. These folks were on to something.

As I understand it the designs and equipment are still in the Blackburn Factory now owned by a few of management but they ran out of money and everything else in the factory was auctioned off. They were almost there.
 
#886
I've been without an amp since December when my old Y400B Yorkville died. Since then been awaiting the Streamliner. No gigs during this time thank goodness as the band is gearing up for a new project starting in April through the summer.

I received word that the SL is due to arrive tomorrow or the day after. My dealer is letting me take home a 600 and 900 to try out so I can make the best decision.

I value your feedback on this - I've been reading these threads on the Streamliners since thread one. I've still got the Yorkville cab with a 15" speaker rated at approx 230 watts. I also have a new Mesa Boogie 212 plus tweet rated at 650 watts. Both cabs are 8 ohms.

If I choose the SL600, when both cabs are hooked up it will drive the Mesa at near full wattage. Needless to say the Yorkville with either head is under load.) If I drive the Mesa solo with the SL600 it will be under the wattage max.

If I use the SL900 for both cabs they will get the full 900 watts and I don't know how the Yorkville will handle that. If I just utilize the Mesa with the SL900 it will be pure heaven as I understand it.

I would like to keep the Yorkville as a practice amp and perhaps if required also stack it with the Mesa. I'm also thinking of trading in the Yorkville against the SL900 and go with just the Mesa.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Any thoughts you guys can throw this away?

Thanks,
Dave
 

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Red Planet said:
Actually they look quite different. The tubes are much much brighter than a regular 12ax7. The deal is (not sure I'll get this right) there are two micro cathode ray tubes inside instead of electrons flowing from traditional tube innards. You can see the beam flowing from the electron gun. It's pretty cool.

The light show aside these tubes are less micro phonic and have this extra warmness yet 3d quality to them. Plus they were designed to last 10,000 hours. The parts on the inside are made out of some kind of stainless alloy.

Before Blackburn went belly up they were tweaking these tubes to our requests. They could be high gain, low gain, bright, dark. These folks were on to something.

As I understand it the designs and equipment are still in the Blackburn Factory now owned by a few of management but they ran out of money and everything else in the factory was auctioned off. They were almost there.
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This sounds really cool. Have you tried your Blackburns in the SL? Does changing tubes make much of a difference in this amp?
 
#889
smeet said:
This sounds really cool. Have you tried your Blackburns in the SL? Does changing tubes make much of a difference in this amp?
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Interested in this as well. I put a Penta Labs 12AX7 tube in my Shuttle 9.0 and I liked the change vs. the Ruby that was in there. Might just do the same here and hold the current tube as a backup. At minimum, after reading about tubes here, I should probably buy a backup just in case...
 
#890
smeet said:
This sounds really cool. Have you tried your Blackburns in the SL? Does changing tubes make much of a difference in this amp?
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You would have to go back and dig in these threads somewhere but yes they reside in my Streamliner.

You should see the little buggers glowing on the inside. Brighter than the LEDS they have in there.

When I get a chance I'll see if I can take a pic of them and post it. I also have a PDF with a bunch of images of the makeup of these tubes but I can not figure out how to take the images from it and host/post them. I'm a dummy.
 
#897
zippydog said:
+1! Same here!! For my taste, I've rolled the bass back a bit to open up a bit of mid space.

Just out of curiosity, what mid freq. do you have selected and how is it dialed in?
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I know the question wasn't directed at me, but FWIW I like to roll the bass back a bit (depending on the room, and wether I'm using my P or J), and push 220Hz to about 2-o'clock.

Yum.
 
#898
I have been testing out the Streamliner 900 vs. my Walkabout head with a passive Mike Lull V5 jazz bass and Thunderchild cab. I've been on the fence about selling the Walkabout because as good as the Streamliner sounds there always seems to be a hole in the midrange response of the amp even when rolling off the bass and boosting the mid control. It's not a deal breaker IMO.

I pulled out an Aguilar Tone Hammer to try running as a pre into the front end of the 900. I found that if I boosted the mids on the TH (freq. and level controls around 2 o'clock) and roll off just a touch of bass at 11:30 I seem to be able to "fill in the hole" that I'm missing. I then find on the Streamliner eq I can bring back the bass control to around noon. I still boost the mid control level between 1 and 2 and select the frequency setting depending on how I'm running my pickups. If I'm favoring the bridge P/U: 220k, the neck P/U: 2.5k. With both pickups on full I think the 600k setting is cool. I also run the gain knob around noon with the switch in. I like a good bit of growl.

With those settings I hear a tremendous range in tone from my bass and much better response from the amp. I need to get this on a gig ASAP to see if I'm on the right track.
 
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I have been testing out the Streamliner 900 vs. my Walkabout head with a passive Mike Lull V5 jazz bass and Thunderchild cab. I've been on the fence about selling the Walkabout because as good as the Streamliner sounds there always seems to be a hole in the midrange response of the amp even when rolling off the bass and boosting the mid control. It's not a deal breaker IMO.

I pulled out an Aguilar Tone Hammer to try running as a pre into the front end of the 900. I found that if I boosted the mids on the TH (freq. and level controls around 2 o'clock) and roll off just a touch of bass at 11:30 I seem to be able to "fill in the hole" that I'm missing. I then find on the Streamliner eq I can bring back the bass control to around noon. I still boost the mid control level between 1 and 2 and select the frequency setting depending on how I'm running my pickups. If I'm favoring the bridge P/U: 220k, the neck P/U: 2.5k. With both pickups on full I think the 600k setting is cool. I also run the gain knob around noon with the switch in. I like a good bit of growl.

With those settings I hear a tremendous range in tone from my bass and much better response from the amp. I need to get this on a gig ASAP to see if I'm on the right track.

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have you tried cranking the mids (220) past 3 o'clock and then bringing the bass up to around 3 as well?
 
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hensonbass said:
I pulled out an Aguilar Tone Hammer to try running as a pre into the front end of the 900. I found that if I boosted the mids on the TH (freq. and level controls around 2 o'clock) and roll off just a touch of bass at 11:30 I seem to be able to "fill in the hole" that I'm missing.
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I would imagine that control is not really calibrated to the point you could be sure, but at least generally, about what frequency do you think you're bumping with this setting?
 
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