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#3,064
MattLplaysBass said:
VW GTI... my compromise car. Sporty, but 4 doors and a big ass trunk.
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When I play in my band I use my wife's crossover cuz I gotta haul the PA and all the crap that goes along with that. When I play for another band I load up my VW CC. Two 12-3's, Shuttle 9.0, bass stand and pedal board in the trunk and my Spector in the footwells of the back seat.
 
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Mark Gollihur said:
I've got the Tiguan - a GTI on stilts. Plenty of room for a bass + gear. Yours a turbo? My Tig is tuned with APR Stage I - worth every penny!
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Mine's just the stock turbo- I've had it since 12/15 and I don't even have 15k miles on it yet, so haven't really looked into any of that yet. But I understand these engines have a lot of "untapped potential" :D

VW's are popular musician vehicles though- my old bass teacher has a Golf wagon, and last year at the Chicago GTG I pulled up behind another tb'er with a GTI as well. Sedans just can't fit the junk in the trunk ;)
 
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I drove an ‘02 GTI until 1/17 when the transmission died with 245000 miles on it. I loved that car. The GTI was the perfect mix of performance and practicality plus mine was amazingly reliable. When it died, I went with a plug-in hybrid Ford C Max. Not nearly as much fun... not nearly the storage space (the battery takes up a lot of space)... but the mileage is amazing and I can fit my gear.
 
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Djadja said:
I drove an ‘02 GTI until 1/17 when the transmission died with 245000 miles on it. I loved that car. The GTI was the perfect mix of performance and practicality plus mine was amazingly reliable. When it died, I went with a plug-in hybrid Ford C Max. Not nearly as much fun... not nearly the storage space (the battery takes up a lot of space)... but the mileage is amazing and I can fit my gear.
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My guitar player has a Tesla. That thing is insanely fast, I mean supercar territory fast. He loves it. I wish I could afford one.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
Yes, it will stack on top. Both have the same footprint.
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Jeff..I am currently using an ampeg svt pro 4 bass amp and playing thru (2) svt hlf 4x10 cabs (4 ohm cabs)..one cab at each channel..when running in dual mono using both channels like I do..the amp is rated at 490 watts continuous and 625 watts peak at each channel when using 4 ohm cabinets..could I drive (2) BA 410-3 cabs with my pro 4 head..I ask this as I realize that they are rated at a higher wattage than the cabs that I currently use..is the 1000 watts continuous or peak..?..also..what brand speaker cones are you using in your cabinets..?.. thanks for your help..
 
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I had a 2010 Jetta TDI Sportwagon-superb car-loved it to bits....until I found out they lied about/fudged the emissions data...which had allowed it to win CA environmental vehicle of the year when it came out....which was what had led me to check it out in the 1st place....it's gone and now the wife and I have 1 vehicle- a Tesla 85D-uber fast, uber safe, handles as if on rails, great in snow, no dollars contributing to support gas prices or indirectly helping Iran/Russia and fossil fuel companies in general, supporting US innovation in the right direction....and it has a large trunk that easily fits my 5 string, a couple of 112 cabs and a head....it has been rock solid for the 2.5 years we have had it so far....when we're on a long road trip we have to stop (about 30 mins every 3 hours) to charge, but for 95% of our use as a daily driver we never need to "fill up", as it's fully charged every am when we wake up.....we intend to run it for a looong time :)
 
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Blaze Barlow said:
Jeff..I am currently using an ampeg svt pro 4 bass amp and playing thru (2) svt hlf 4x10 cabs (4 ohm cabs)..one cab at each channel..when running in dual mono using both channels like I do..the amp is rated at 490 watts continuous and 625 watts peak at each channel when using 4 ohm cabinets..could I drive (2) BA 410-3 cabs with my pro 4 head..I ask this as I realize that they are rated at a higher wattage than the cabs that I currently use..is the 1000 watts continuous or peak..?..also..what brand speaker cones are you using in your cabinets..?.. thanks for your help..
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@Blaze Barlow, thank you for your interest in our new BA410-3 cab. You ask some good questions. I see the SVT PRO 4 delivers 635 Watts RMS at 4 ohms per each amp channel. Yes the BA410-3 is a 1000 W RMS rated cab, but I think if the your amp is delivering enough power to your current NEO 410HLF cabs then you will have more than enough power to drive the BA410-3 cabs. And I'd like to point out a couple of other considerations if your looking at the Bass Array design compared to a traditional woofer/tweeter cab design.
#1--we're using Faital NEO drivers which are very efficient. The blend of the 10" woofers and these little 3" NEO drivers is ideal for the BA design.
#2 the design concept of the BA cabs delivers much better projection and dispersion than a traditional cab --- that means your 625 Watts per cab is going to deliver so much more effectively into the playing audience. The "throw" of these cabs is tremendous ---- and not just the LF information. The mid and high frequency detail and clarity is also delivered much more efficiently.
#3 --- if your talking two BA410-3 cabs and stack them on top of each other, now you have what I call "super coupling" of the Arrays which will be a much more tremendous force than a traditional design. Just like in a concert sound system where all of these small boxes stack to make a tremendous system, the Bass Array cabinet design is really its own "system" within the cabinet.
If you've got some time to check out the entire demo video of Andy Irvine and the BA410-3 cab he brings up some similar comments with his experience using the BA cabs. One thing he really comments about is how even and wide these cabinets project which means that the bass sounds even more musical in a live setting and is much more "present" with its full detail and not just low end woof.

Sorry to be so long winded but I hope this info is helpful.
 
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Great info, but don’t tempt me! :)

Psyched to use my dual 12-3’s and 350 on the big boy stage tonight at the Starland in NJ. Up until now this rig has only seen bars/clubs...likely not even going to bother bringing my rack stuff, the 350 has been perfect,

yeah I know why not get the 800 and get rid of everything else, I know I know.
 
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RNG1 said:
Great info, but don’t tempt me! :)

Psyched to use my dual 12-3’s and 350 on the big boy stage tonight at the Starland in NJ. Up until now this rig has only seen bars/clubs...likely not even going to bother bringing my rack stuff, the 350 has been perfect,

yeah I know why not get the 800 and get rid of everything else, I know I know.
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THe 350 is amazing especially with the 10-2 stack I know have but the 800 and 2 or 3 of the 12-3 arrays I had was out of this world. The extra power the 800 pushed through the 12-3's makes a big difference if you need it.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
@Blaze Barlow, thank you for your interest in our new BA410-3 cab. You ask some good questions. I see the SVT PRO 4 delivers 635 Watts RMS at 4 ohms per each amp channel. Yes the BA410-3 is a 1000 W RMS rated cab, but I think if the your amp is delivering enough power to your current NEO 410HLF cabs then you will have more than enough power to drive the BA410-3 cabs. And I'd like to point out a couple of other considerations if your looking at the Bass Array design compared to a traditional woofer/tweeter cab design.
#1--we're using Faital NEO drivers which are very efficient. The blend of the 10" woofers and these little 3" NEO drivers is ideal for the BA design.
#2 the design concept of the BA cabs delivers much better projection and dispersion than a traditional cab --- that means your 625 Watts per cab is going to deliver so much more effectively into the playing audience. The "throw" of these cabs is tremendous ---- and not just the LF information. The mid and high frequency detail and clarity is also delivered much more efficiently.
#3 --- if your talking two BA410-3 cabs and stack them on top of each other, now you have what I call "super coupling" of the Arrays which will be a much more tremendous force than a traditional design. Just like in a concert sound system where all of these small boxes stack to make a tremendous system, the Bass Array cabinet design is really its own "system" within the cabinet.
If you've got some time to check out the entire demo video of Andy Irvine and the BA410-3 cab he brings up some similar comments with his experience using the BA cabs. One thing he really comments about is how even and wide these cabinets project which means that the bass sounds even more musical in a live setting and is much more "present" with its full detail and not just low end woof.

Sorry to be so long winded but I hope this info is helpful.
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OK Jeff thanks..the HLF cabinets are not neo cabs...the 625 watts per channel power of the pro 4 amp at 4 ohms is the peak power rating while 490 watts per channel at 4 ohms is the continuous RMS rating..is the 1000 watts in the BA410-3 peak power or continuous power..?..
 
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Sooooo....I'm scheming again.

My big rig, a Mesa SW 115/112 is up for sale locally. I just don't need the big stack for the few outdoor shows I'll do every summer. Most of my gigs are IEM, powered monitors or I tilt my rig back like a monitor.

I currently have the MG800 and two 10-2's. The form factor and doubling capabilities have me keeping the 10-2's. I would like to add another BA cab to the 10-2 stack for the odd outdoor or big gig that requires watts and paper. Basically, add to the 10-2 stack to take the place of the Mesa 115/112 stack.

Options:
--A BA12-3 seems like a good choice to make a 12-3/10-2/10-2 stack. And the 12-3 would prolly work as a monitor quite well, even on the bigger gigs. But yet, I'm kinda anal and wouldn't mind my cabs all being the same. I'm not against the idea. Just....Well, you know....
--Ohms-wise, I'm not sure how the the 210-3 would work with two 10-2's. Since they are all 8 ohm the 10-2's would be getting pushed a lot harder than the 210-3? BUT, the 210-3 would be about as big as I need for bigger shows where I am just monitoring myself. Which brings me to......Wait for it...(drumroll)....
--Getting another 10-2 and strapping two 10-2's together to make a 210 cab. Add the third 10-2 for my biggest shows. Use one 10-2 for my small gigs and my URB cocktail hour stuff. Use the strapped 10-2 stack for small/medium rooms or even lay it on it's side to use as a monitor with an amp stand.

My concern about strapping the two 10-2's together is wearing away at the tolex and the fact that the cabs are angled so one side of the strap would be digging into the cabs more than the other side, assuming I go around the cabs on the sides (not front/back).

Genius? Utter stupidity? Be honest. But please be gentle. My ego is easily bruised.
 
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Blaze Barlow said:
OK Jeff thanks..the HLF cabinets are not neo cabs...the 625 watts per channel power of the pro 4 amp at 4 ohms is the peak power rating while 490 watts per channel at 4 ohms is the continuous RMS rating..is the 1000 watts in the BA410-3 peak power or continuous power..?..
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The BA410-3 power rating is RMS. I found the cab info on Ampegs website but I guess they use the HLF designation for a few different models.
 

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