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[denton57]

@denton57 --- If you don't mind me chiming in, I also think this would be a great match for your Milkman head. I would not be concerned about the 700W head into the 600W cab. I always prefer more power to the cab than the cab rating. I think tone wise, the simple EQ section of that amp and the tube pre should be a great match. Something about ceramic speaker cab designs and tube preamps, goes well together.

Thanks for the feedback. I think the speakers, dimensions, style, weight…everything lines up for me for what I am looking for with that head. I can see this being my main amp/cab set up for almost all situations… on paper anyway until I get the cab. The 98lb 4x10 for a big outdoor stage, but those are few and far between. The 44 lb 2x12 and 12lb head sounds really appealing and is more than enough for stage monitoring. I’ll be sure and report back in once I have it and can give my thoughts.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

@Jeff Genzler while you're here, do you happen to have the dimensions for the rack ears for the Shuttlemax 12? The internet does not have them. You're my last effort before I break out the calipers.

Oh Boy, I don't have them handy but email me at [email protected] and perhaps we can find them for you.

 

[davedamage]

Done and done. Thank you, sir.

 

[SLPimp]

I play an 800w GK head into my NC212 with no issue and a HPF. Seems to work.

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

Curious whether there's any noticeable difference in sound between the BA12-3 (original) and the in or recently in production BA12-3 STR ?

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Curious whether there's any noticeable difference in sound between the BA12-3 (original) and the in or recently in production BA12-3 STR ?

If you are talking about the original BA12-3 (with the strap handle on the side) and then the next version with the recessed handle on the top of the cabinet (not the new Series 2 version) then I can confirm that there is no difference at all. Only just the placement of the handle.
Now if you're talking about the new BA2-112-3SLT (series 2 version) then there would be tonal differences.
I hope this helps.

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

If you are talking about the original BA12-3 (with the strap handle on the side) and then the next version with the recessed handle on the top of the cabinet (not the new Series 2 version) then I can confirm that there is no difference at all. Only just the placement of the handle.
Now if you're talking about the new BA2-112-3SLT (series 2 version) then there would be tonal differences.
I hope this helps.

Sure does. Many thanks!

It was tough choosing whether to keep my first revision BA12-3 (strap handle) or my first rev BA12-3-SLT. I chose to retain the SLT for its spacious mids. Hoping that SLT blends well atop an incoming MG-212T.

 

[FeltTipPen]

Well Loring! I have Mesa D800+, BA15-3 SLT, and the Magellan Pre DI which gives me AB contours, so with my setup I get the best of both and the perfect cab for me.

I was thinking of adding the D800+ pre DI to my Magellan 800 and BA-15-3 so I could have some of that Mesa goodness

 

[John D Harris]

Alright Genzler hive mind... I recently picked up an NC-212T. I'm looking for a cab to stack it with. Demoing a stack may be a little difficult to do, so I ask you all: NC-210T, 115 or just get another 212? Power available comes from either an MG800 or a Shuttlemax 12.0. Fire suggestions at will. If it makes any difference, one band is a stoner/doom outfit playing alongside a baritone guitar, sometimes tuned to drop A and a post hardcore band that plays standard to drop D to drop C. I'm usually playing a five string in standard tuning, unless it's the drop A or drop C tunes, then the fiver is tuned down to the low A and a four banger to play the drop C.

I would suggest either NC-112T or NC-115T.
I'm really jones'in for a pair of NC-115T's myself!

 

[nightchef]

Hi Genzler people! I just got to play through a Magellan 350 combo tonight. (I'm looking for a compact rig for lower volume/smaller room work, such as musical theater or coffeehouse gigs.) I was very very impressed with the sound--really sweet, vibrant mids, without any of the honky/boxy quality I associate with mid-forward amps--and surprised at how loud it got with gain and volume at noon.

Is anybody using the 350 combo for pit gigs? Do you find that you need an extension cab for this application, and if so, how much does it matter if the additional cab is also a Genzler bass array design?

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

Sure does. Many thanks!

It was tough choosing whether to keep my first revision BA12-3 (strap handle) or my first rev BA12-3-SLT. I chose to retain the SLT for its spacious mids. Hoping that SLT blends well atop an incoming MG-212T.

Quick follow up that yes, after a quick play, an MG-212T atop a BA12-3-SLT sounds very complimentary (head used WD-800, 2.67 Ohm).

Wondering whether a BA10-2 over an MG-112T might compare favorably.

 

[smogg]

Quick follow up that yes, after a quick play, an MG-212T atop a BA12-3-SLT sounds very complimentary (head used WD-800, 2.67 Ohm).

Wondering whether a BA10-2 over an MG-112T might compare favorably.

So you like the 212 on top better than the 12-3 on top? What "difference(s)" do you hear? Curious minds want to know.

 

[ImTheOnlyOne]

Size-wise, the BA doesn't fit well on top. Stable, but a looks better under.
I expected to need it on top for the 3" dispersion benefits, but down low's alright. Sounds better than either apart.

 

[Michael Vee]

Hi Genzler people! I just got to play through a Magellan 350 combo tonight. (I'm looking for a compact rig for lower volume/smaller room work, such as musical theater or coffeehouse gigs.) I was very very impressed with the sound--really sweet, vibrant mids, without any of the honky/boxy quality I associate with mid-forward amps--and surprised at how loud it got with gain and volume at noon. Is anybody using the 350 combo for pit gigs? Do yI'ou find that you need an extension cab for this application, and if so, how much does it matter if the additional cab is also a Genzler bass array design?

I'm sure there are other Genzler owners here that are playing theatre gigs besides me. Hopefully the others will reply as well. I'm assuming you mean the 10-2 version and not the 112 vertical version. This combo is nearly perfect for music theatre. It's tiny, it fits into cramped pit floor space better than anything else on the market - except maybe a 2x8" cab with a smaller footprint. It can be very clean and quiet, and it can also get very loud and growly - louder than you'd probably ever need in the theatre setting.

I'm currently playing [This invalid link has been removed] at the Bijou Theatre in Knoxville with a pretty loud pit band with acoustic drums and monitors. Everyone is amped except the sax player. I'm set at input volume at noon and master volume at 9 o'clock. It is throwing out more than enough sound to be heard all over the pit. I have it angled somewhat across from me to keep from getting the full blast of the lows, but can hear it clearly because of the array. After we finished a couple of the more rocking songs of the show, I made a point to feel the top of the 350 amp, and it was cool to the touch. I never hear the fan running.

I've also used it for a number of non-rock classic musicals and it excels at those as well. I don't play upright but I do play an acoustic electric for those. The sound for those shows is phenomenal. Your description of the sound is very accurate.

I went ahead and bought the extension cabinet in case I need it, but I have not used it live yet. The combo itself is very capable. What I do is keep the extension at home and practicing with it and my Mesa D-350 head while I leave the combo set up at the venue. I don't think you'll need the extension cab for theatre, but you might want to get it for a louder non-theatre gig. I can tell you that the 2x10-2 stack gets very, very loud. I would highly recommend that you get the 10-2 cabinet and not mix and match.

I have posted in this thread several times how impressed I am with the combo. I wish I'd had it 31 years ago when I started playing theatre gigs. It's the boss for the genre.

 

[nightchef]

I'm sure there are other Genzler owners here that are playing theatre gigs besides me. Hopefully the others will reply as well. I'm assuming you mean the 10-2 version and not the 112 vertical version. This combo is nearly perfect for music theatre. It's tiny, it fits into cramped pit floor space better than anything else on the market - except maybe a 2x8" cab with a smaller footprint. It can be very clean and quiet, and it can also get very loud and growly - louder than you'd probably ever need in the theatre setting.

I'm currently playing [This invalid link has been removed] at the Bijou Theatre in Knoxville with a pretty loud pit band with acoustic drums and monitors. Everyone is amped except the sax player. I'm set at input volume at noon and master volume at 9 o'clock. It is throwing out more than enough sound to be heard all over the pit. I have it angled somewhat across from me to keep from getting the full blast of the lows, but can hear it clearly because of the array. After we finished a couple of the more rocking songs of the show, I made a point to feel the top of the 350 amp, and it was cool to the touch. I never hear the fan running.

I've also used it for a number of non-rock classic musicals and it excels at those as well. I don't play upright but I do play an acoustic electric for those. The sound for those shows is phenomenal. Your description of the sound is very accurate.

I went ahead and bought the extension cabinet in case I need it, but I have not used it live yet. The combo itself is very capable. What I do is keep the extension at home and practicing with it and my Mesa D-350 head while I leave the combo set up at the venue. I don't think you'll need the extension cab for theatre, but you might want to get it for a louder non-theatre gig. I can tell you that the 2x10-2 stack gets very, very loud. I would highly recommend that you get the 10-2 cabinet and not mix and match.

I have posted in this thread several times how impressed I am with the combo. I wish I'd had it 31 years ago when I started playing theatre gigs. It's the boss for the genre.

Thanks for the very helpful post! Can you elaborate on why it’s better to add another 10-2 rather than adding a 12-3 or other larger cab?

Also — good to hear that you’re not hearing the fan. That was one of my concerns, and one reason why I’ve been considering the Mesa D-350 + a 12” cab as an alternative. As you know, in some pit situations in smaller spaces any noise coming from the players’ equipment can become an audible issue.

 

[Michael Vee]

Thanks for the very helpful post! Can you elaborate on why it’s better to add another 10-2 rather than adding a 12-3 or other larger cab?

Also — good to hear that you’re not hearing the fan. That was one of my concerns, and one reason why I’ve been considering the Mesa D-350 + a 12” cab as an alternative. As you know, in some pit situations in smaller spaces any noise coming from the players’ equipment can become an audible issue.

You could, of course, pair the combo with any of the other Genzler cabinets, or for that matter, with most any cabinet on the market. My thoughts on it are that the 10-2 is a fine cabinet, and a second one is simply more of the same. The 10-2 is a tiny cabinet, so carrying the combo and the extension is easy. The 10-2 stack is also visually consistent for those who care about such things. Plus, it maintains the small footprint of the combo. There's nothing to stop one from putting the combo atop the 15-3. But, the combo output would be far surpassed by the 15-3, and the 15-3 is probably inappropriate for a setting such as music theatre. Plys it's a lot bigger!

I maintain my original response, which is the 10-2 combo puts out more than enough solid volume for any conceivable indoor theatre pit. I've done outdoor stages, and the combo could handle that as well. I got the extension mostly for non-theatre work, as well as the utility of having the second cab at home for practicing. I don't think you'll need a second cab for theatre.

I sure do know about audible non-playing sounds coming from the amp, all too well. It annoys the crap out of the other musicians. 60 cycle hum is common in older pits, possibly from non-standard or deteriorated building wiring and generally from dimmer packs. This week, I'm experiencing that and having to turn down the bass' volume knob between songs. (The bass is an EMG-equipped Synapse, which normally has no pickup-related noise issues.) For the remaining perfs, I'm plugging the combo into the sound tech's rack power conditioners which are immediately to my left in the Bijou pit. I've been plugged into a rat's nest of power strips and extension cords that are shared by the two guitar players, one of whom has been having hum issues as well.

In years past, I had been using a Quilter BB-800, but the fan noise was always an issue. I briefly used my fanless Mesa D-350 and it is always silent. It's nice to have silence in the pit between songs!

 

[Modulus 96]

I think most people put the combo on top of a 12-3 if not another 10-2. Or, perhaps even two 12-3's.

 

[Djadja]

Thanks for the very helpful post! Can you elaborate on why it’s better to add another 10-2 rather than adding a 12-3 or other larger cab?

Also — good to hear that you’re not hearing the fan. That was one of my concerns, and one reason why I’ve been considering the Mesa D-350 + a 12” cab as an alternative. As you know, in some pit situations in smaller spaces any noise coming from the players’ equipment can become an audible issue.

I have a BA10-2 that I use in conjunction with a BA12-3. They compliment each other really nicely. The 12 is louder but the smaller cab brings a nice punch to the mix. I *think* I like this pair better than 2 of either of the same cabs.

 

[nightchef]

Well, I took the plunge:

 

[Joeykun]

Nice to be playing with my own rig for a change. Using “2” BA410-3 cabs stacked! A Series 1 (bottom) and a Series 2 (top) Killer!!