Do any Genzler owners know if the Bass Array and Magellan 350 are basically the same amp? Seems the control panel reads identical, but the Magellan 350 is slightly more powerful. Any and all input welcome on these amps, but these two only. Thanks
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Double Bass Genzler Magellan vs Bass Array
- Thread starter Dan Hannum
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Bass array is the combo amp. sold , I think exclusively by Gollihur. I could wait till Monday and call Jeff or Mark but thought some immediate input from TB ers would satisfy my lust for instograt
The bass array is the cab, the Magellan 350 is the amp. There is no bass array amp.
You can bolt a Magellan 350 amp to a bass array 10-2 cab to form somewhat of a combo amp
You can bolt a Magellan 350 amp to a bass array 10-2 cab to form somewhat of a combo amp
Jared, As stated, there is a "Bass Array" created for Gollihur music. I am looking at the Magellan as a backup for my Array extension cab
There is a slight difference in the RMS wattage of the Magellan 350 vs the Genzler Gollihur Bass Array. But it’s so small as to make very little audible difference. Conversely, you’d be missing the Microphone inputs and phantom power available on both channels of the “Bass Array”. Every TB member who owns this amp loves it. My little nit pick is that the Phantom power is 12 volts not a full 48v, so with some microphones the noise floor will raise. Apparently, it’s not an issue on a real gig according to those TB members who gig with it. The distinct advantage of the Genzler Bass Array cabinet is the manner in which it provides even frequency response using a combination of a linear array for upper frequencies and midrange frequencies combined with a bass driver for lower frequencies. My MAS 4x5.5 also has a linear array It more accurately reproduces the articulation and tone quality of a Double Bass. Just my take, but on a gig it’s so much cleaner and easy to hear.
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I have used the Genzler Array now for a year and will probably continue to do so, but am now considering the MarkBass backline 250 top , as it has an XLR input (Magellan does not) . Having good luck with an SM57 attatched to the bass at the E side F hole and finally got an amp placement on the stage that won't feedback. As mentioned, this will be a backup or alternate with the same mic/ piezo versatility as the Genzler AA. Looking for Upright players input on the MarkBass backline 250 head, please.
I almost pulled the trigger on the original Nano Mark because it sounds very good with DB as affirmed by a whole group of Talk Bassists who’s
opinions I respect. Unfortunately, the Little Mark 250 has a 500 K Ohm input impedance. So to use that amp for DB isn’t ideal because piezo pickups
really need a minimum of 1 Meg Ohm. The Nano Mark is currently the only amp in the Markbass line with a higher input impedance suitable for the Life Line
or Full Circle. Just my take of course.
opinions I respect. Unfortunately, the Little Mark 250 has a 500 K Ohm input impedance. So to use that amp for DB isn’t ideal because piezo pickups
really need a minimum of 1 Meg Ohm. The Nano Mark is currently the only amp in the Markbass line with a higher input impedance suitable for the Life Line
or Full Circle. Just my take of course.
Different basses with an identical pickup will sound quite different. I also noticed the Little Mark doesn’t have phantom power so if you were ever considering using a condenser bass mic like the DPA 4099, Xlson, Remic DB 5400, Nadine,
or others, that would necessitate adding an additional phantom power supply
or others, that would necessitate adding an additional phantom power supply
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I would even use a mic preamp because the amps input gain might not get the mic signal strong enough. The mic preamp also (typically) delivers phantom power to the mic if needed.
Noticed most of these special bass mics need 48v. The Genzler AA is 12. Getting a nice even clean sound out of an SM57 at the F hole straight in, no preamp. By the way, were just a string duo and we are low volume. A louder gig will put me back on the K+k system and if needed, the AA extension cab.
I bought the very first Genzler Acoustic Pro Gollihur model. So new it didn't even have a serial number.
I still LOVE IT. I have used a number of mics with it (and its 12v phantom power) and have never had a problem.
It's a GREAT sounding amp, and all-in-one solution. I have continued to try a number of different options but have never found one I prefer to my 'Genzlihur' Amp.
I still LOVE IT. I have used a number of mics with it (and its 12v phantom power) and have never had a problem.
It's a GREAT sounding amp, and all-in-one solution. I have continued to try a number of different options but have never found one I prefer to my 'Genzlihur' Amp.
Since I use a Grace Felix I don’t typically consider running a microphone into an amplifier with a mic input. One of the reasons I went with a Grace was that the original
Headway EDB-1 only provided 18v to the Phantom, which raises the noise floor on the DPA 4099B that I was using at the time. The Grace provides a full 48 v. (Headway rectified that and other issues with the Headway EDB-2 H.E.)
When I look at the Genzler Gollhur Acoustic Array, my take is that it’s a acoustic guitar amp modified to make it a Acoustic Bass Amplifier, but still retaining features that were more compatible with acoustic guitar, many guitar setups have a piezo saddle pickup combined with a little electret condenser mic that runs of a 12v phantom.
. I have heard many DB players use a Shure SM 57 wrapped in foam and placed inside the arch of the bridge. Drew Gress did this at one time and sounded great. Perhaps the advantage of the dynamic microphone is that it’s just not as loud as a condenser. Long ago after a lot of experimentation I quit placing my microphone near the f hole, but I never used a dynamic mic for DB amplification. Just my take however.
P.S. While a 150 watt RMS amp is plenty for Acoustic Guitar it’s less power than I’m usually comfortable with unless I’d doing a duo or trio. Once again just my take. Years ago I played lots of lounge acts with. 25 watt Ampeg B-15N.
Headway EDB-1 only provided 18v to the Phantom, which raises the noise floor on the DPA 4099B that I was using at the time. The Grace provides a full 48 v. (Headway rectified that and other issues with the Headway EDB-2 H.E.)
When I look at the Genzler Gollhur Acoustic Array, my take is that it’s a acoustic guitar amp modified to make it a Acoustic Bass Amplifier, but still retaining features that were more compatible with acoustic guitar, many guitar setups have a piezo saddle pickup combined with a little electret condenser mic that runs of a 12v phantom.
. I have heard many DB players use a Shure SM 57 wrapped in foam and placed inside the arch of the bridge. Drew Gress did this at one time and sounded great. Perhaps the advantage of the dynamic microphone is that it’s just not as loud as a condenser. Long ago after a lot of experimentation I quit placing my microphone near the f hole, but I never used a dynamic mic for DB amplification. Just my take however.
P.S. While a 150 watt RMS amp is plenty for Acoustic Guitar it’s less power than I’m usually comfortable with unless I’d doing a duo or trio. Once again just my take. Years ago I played lots of lounge acts with. 25 watt Ampeg B-15N.
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