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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

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Ah, but if they're not born at midnight April 30, 1933 then they're gonna be a little off pitch.
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A decent turntable will fix that!

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A decent turntable will fix that!



Saw a lotta schmancy turntables like that which still couldn't tune the Beatles records to my guitar as good as my '65 Sony HP-480's variable pitch control! Salesmen asked me why I wanted to go off pitch? I thought to myself, "You've never tried playing along to their records, have you?"

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Pretty certain "on pitch" was pretty relative in the 60s, if based only on my own experience in band :laugh: .... music teachers might well get the award for the most patient people in the universe.
Even when we all used the same reference, tuning was still "relative" in my last cover band. :rollno:
 
Even when we all used the same reference, tuning was still "relative" in my last cover band. :rollno:

With all personal experience with formal classroom education now firmly in the past tense, I wonder if music teachers still teach kids to tune by ear?

Uncertain where I learned it, or if I ever did learn it, or only imagined I learned it: I take care to always check my instrument's tune before I play anything. This way, in-tune becomes a habit. One music teacher I recall worked to get his students to feel the dissonance of an out-of-tune bass.

We had some huge stroboscope in the band room, but we've covered that turf so get of my lawn.
 
I remember in the 70's it was not unusual that bands all tuned together to slightly off-pitch to play a song. Why? No idea. Not for singing, because it was only slightly off pitch. 10cc I'm not in Love. Cowboy Song by Thin Lizzy. I would have killed for a pitch control record player back then! Would have made it easier to learn the song. But it also made you better at music theory because you had to do the math in your head to play the song. Once I learned transposing I was never in need of work because I could transpose on the spot. Especially valuable when a lady sings a man's song!
 
My 1977 turntable was/is a REGA planar. Not too expensive, it does a good job for me. Actually, my ears seem to be tuned to it.

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My tuner was a pitch pipe. Everyone tuned to me. Unless there was a piano to go with.
B4 electric portable pianos, touring big bands would show up at a venue and find the "we have a terrific piano" horribly outta tune, usually flat 1/4 tone +/-, but not consistent. Some bands had a qualified piano tuner with them. Others gave up and used a 'squeeze box' or just guitar for the chord instrument. One of my favorites:Les Elgart. Didn't even use keys on recordings except for rare occasions, usually a celeste(semi-portable-if ya gots a coupla strong backs)
 
B4 electric portable pianos, touring big bands would show up at a venue and find the "we have a terrific piano" horribly outta tune, usually flat 1/4 tone +/-, but not consistent. Some bands had a qualified piano tuner with them. Others gave up and used a 'squeeze box' or just guitar for the chord instrument. One of my favorites:Les Elgart. Didn't even use keys on recordings except for rare occasions, usually a celeste(semi-portable-if ya gots a coupla strong backs)

Sometimes they would master at different speeds, often speeded up. So perfect key was not an issues.

It's true though, getting tuning close enough was good enough in the 60's. Most players didn't even know about bridge intonation. Tuning up the neck was often off.
 
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