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Getting bottom end out of P bass

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by reptocarl, Oct 26, 2018.


  1. reptocarl

    reptocarl

    Nov 3, 2017
    Hello all, I read an interesting interview with the late great John Entwistle. He stated and I quote “with a Fender you get a lot of treble but no bass and with a Gibson you get a lot of bass but no treble” which is why he went to Alembic at the time. He felt the Alembic gave him both. I love his sound and was wondering which pickup in a P bass would get semi close to that? Thank you
     
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  2. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2010
    Appleton
    I have never had trouble getting low end out of any P bass. I believe Entwistle’s comment wasn’t entirely on the mark. I never thought of Entwistle’s tone as having much low end anyway. It did seem to appear that he went to great expense anyway with his bass and rig to produce low end content that no one really heard. Too much low end gets lost in the mix or piles up in corners creating issues.
     
  3. Element Zero

    Element Zero Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2016
    California
    No low end out of a P bass?
    1117EDCA-9448-4666-8D70-D965308C1A1F.
     
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  4. reptocarl

    reptocarl

    Nov 3, 2017
    Interesting thank you
     
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  5. InternetAlias

    InternetAlias

    Dec 16, 2010
    Serbia
    Entwistle also played in such a way that too much low end would be highly dangerous, actually. His dynamics were crazy, so if he cranked the fundamentals really hard, at some point he'd be blasting people's ears off as well as PA speakers. Solved by a limiter, though. But if he used aggressive limiting, that would easily be set off by tremendous low end. A multiband limiter solves that, tho.

    As much as I respect him as a bass player I think he didn't really understand gear whatsoever. Not that he had to, anyhow, he's iconic for reasons other than his gear, which I hope more people would be.
     
  6. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2010
    Appleton
    Entwistle had an addictive personality defect that manifested itself in collecting an absurd number of basses, spending an inordinate of money on his rig chasing a mythical tone that couldn’t exist, and snorting copious amounts of cocaine. Compare that to some of his contemporaries like Roger Glover or John Paul Jones who just plugged in and played excellent bass lines.
     
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  7. mrb327

    mrb327

    Mar 6, 2013
    Colorado
    Nobody Knows
    What amp are you using?
     
  8. reptocarl

    reptocarl

    Nov 3, 2017
    Don’t laugh but right now a Peavey max II 112
     
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  9. reptocarl

    reptocarl

    Nov 3, 2017
    Good point
     
  10. mrb327

    mrb327

    Mar 6, 2013
    Colorado
    Nobody Knows
    Maybe you need some different amp settings
    Or try some different amps? A P bass generally causes booties to shake
     
  11. InternetAlias

    InternetAlias

    Dec 16, 2010
    Serbia
    Also please don't try to gauge the low end in your room, it's highly deceptive. Gauge how your amp does in a live environment, when there's also a drummer. Chances are, you really don't want subs most of the time.

    This forum's obsession with HPFs isn't unwarranted.
     
  12. Tanner5382

    Tanner5382

    Sep 26, 2010
    Canton, GA
    That is not the exact quote. He was referring to playing large arenas/stadiums in the late 60s and early 70s that if he turned the treble up with a P bass he wouldn't get any low end and out far in the audience the bass have a very "ticky" sound.
     
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  13. I'm not laughing but the amp will make more of a difference than switching pickups out...
     
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  14. And still he was one of the best Bass players to date
     
  15. wvbass

    wvbass Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2004
    West Virginia
    Based on my opinion as someone that currently owns several P basses, a Gibson, and an Alembic...

    Fact. A P bass is midrangey (not trebley) and a Gibson is bassy. An Alembic doesn't have either problem.

    But, John's opinion was based on facts from a long time ago. A P bass isn't lacking in low end potential, and a Gibson doesn't have to have muddy low end. Any of the three can work in pretty much any situation.

    Amps and PA's are a lot better than they used to be.
     
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  16. bolophonic

    bolophonic

    Dec 10, 2009
    Durham, NC
    Has the OP ever heard a Precision bass, or just read about them?
     
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  17. reptocarl

    reptocarl

    Nov 3, 2017
    A P bass is what I play and what he said kind of threw me. I was finding it hard to disagree with Entwistle but I was
     
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  18. Ric5

    Ric5 Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 29, 2008
    Colorado
    I grow organic carrots and they are not for sale
    you might find this interesting

    The basic flaw in the p-bass
     
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  19. Ric5

    Ric5 Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 29, 2008
    Colorado
    I grow organic carrots and they are not for sale
    Whenever someone points out that the p-bass is not 100% perfection some people here get threatened

    The truth is if you want to get a lot of treble and a lot of bass out of a p-bass it doesn't really co-operate

    Also the truth is the p-bass is a low mid focused instrument.
     
  20. Pocket4

    Pocket4 Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    New Hampshire
    I wouldn't allow any more than curiosity at Entwistle relative to what we do. Just saying.
     
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