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Getting Suckered

Many moons ago, whilst my main band was 'on hiatus' (I can call it that now rather than say 'we broke up', since we got back together eventually) I got a call from a local booking agent I had worked with - he was looking for a keyboardist for a reformation of another local cover band (people I knew and liked) - I figured I'd check it out - I'm a bass player 1st, but I liked the music this band played - amazing female singer, started out as a Heart Tribute, also played Yes and many other progressive covers.

I got to the 1st band meeting with a list of songs I knew they played before, and a full page of other suggestions - I was excited. 2 other people (the bassist and drummer) were also from other local decnt bands, I thought we had a good thing here.

Then we went through the list - the original members didn't want to play 'all the same old stuff they used to play', and the other guys didn't want to play anything they used to play from the other bands they had been in before. So basically, the list ended up being a bunch of obscure B-sides - some cool songs, but nothing that would appeal to Joe-what-the-heck-is-that?

And then the kicker - most of the songs were ones that required 3-4 part harmony vocals - something I was used to from my previous band, and excited about that part. But although the lead vocalist was (still is) amazing, the guitarist didn't sing, the drummer didn't sing, and the bass player sang some lead in his previous bands - but that's ALL he could do - melody gang-vocals, no harmonies.

That lasted about 2 rehearsals before I booked. And although nothing sounded decent enough to play out yet (and probably never would with that lineup), the singer gave me a ton o' s*&$ cuz she had gone and booked about 8 shows for the next month.

*sigh*
 
I work for a fortune 500 music co. and once had a pro-talent scout tell me "most of what you'll hear from prospective band leaders/recruiters is unmitigated BS. 20% of what comes out of their mouths has any basis in reality and of that 20%, less than half of it will ever pan out.". Pretty accurate IMHO.

I've been BS'd so many times on so many levels that I've gotten wise to most of the crap laid in front of me by people that want your services for purposes that don't include you or your interests. If this all sounds tainted, it's because I am tainted. I've been a trusting person most of my life but the level that some people are willing to go to satisfy their musical agenda is amazing and in some cases, despicable.

A lot of comments here make me believe I'm not alone in my personal experiences. Ask A LOT of questions and believe what your gut tells you. If it smells rotten, it probably is.

There's a lot of unscroupolous people out there.
 
:cool:

It's all part of the gig game.

Network, get pone numbers?

What does not kill you, will make you stronger?

So--- on an audition is it ok to get the other musicians phone numbers?

How do you do that without looking like you are stealing band members?

The music community is small in nyc, and I try to keep in touch with local bands I have auditoned with--- you never know what may happen.

So, just the "original contact" number, or all numbers of the band members?

Oh, sorry to derail!

Ummmmmm---never had any real bad audition visits. All are giving me more experience, which I know I need.

I am not at a pro level, but working my way there!

Al
 
So--- on an audition is it ok to get the other musicians phone numbers?

How do you do that without looking like you are stealing band members?

The music community is small in nyc, and I try to keep in touch with local bands I have auditoned with--- you never know what may happen.

So, just the "original contact" number, or all numbers of the band members?

Oh, sorry to derail!

Ummmmmm---never had any real bad audition visits. All are giving me more experience, which I know I need.

I am not at a pro level, but working my way there!

Al

I never give anybody a card unless they ask me for it. To me that always looks somewhat desperate and distatseful. I think most good work comes from recommendations and getting to know people - not 20 minutes of playing with someone and then handing them your card.

I think the best way to get get gigs is by auditioning (duh! :) ) as much as possible, playing with as many people as possible, and MOST IMPORTANTLY being completely reliable, friendly, and knowing your material inside out and upside down. People want to work with people who they trust and are happy to be around, not someone handing their card to everybody walking in the room. Just my opinion - but I'm right. :)
 
Many years ago I got a call to audition for a band which supposedly had the 2nd coming of John Bonham on drums. I was leery from the start and thought the comparison was cute, although a bit tacky. About a week before the audition, the drummer himself calls me (got my number from the singer - gee, thanks) and tells me that he is indeed the closest thing to Bonham and that he knows I'll enjoy playing with him. Not content with this one pre-game conversation, he calls me a few days later to spew pretty much the same BS (this was in the pre-caller ID days).

Day of the audition - I arrive about 15 min early and they're wrapping up an audition with another bassist. Guitar player rocks! Singer is beyond lame. And as for Mr. Bonham, well he forgot his hi hat clutch so he had a friend standing next to his hi hat stand alternately applying and releasing pressure on the hand-clasped hi hat cymbals while he played. Gear notwithstanding, he was, in a word, horrible.

As the previous applicant was packing up, I told the guys that I didn't think this would be a good fit and thanked them for inviting me down. I made a point to tell the guitarist that I enjoyed his playing immensely and years later we became friends.

What is it with delusional people?
 
Actually, I have a worse story than that about auditions. I had one band call me to do an audition for a show they had coming up. The guy wanted me to learn a few of his bands songs and meet up with them the following weekend. No problem, the songs were easy enough to learn took me about half an hour all in all.

So the day of the audition comes and it's a public holiday. Lots of traffic and I had to travel into the city itself. So I'm almost at the place I was going to meet up with these guys and I get a text message. "we found a bass playr we like and going to go with him tnx for ur time".

I was this close to actually going to the place with my invoice book out. I figured it wasn't worth wasting my time on people that stupid anyway.

What do you suppose are the odds that they'll be looking again soon????
 
Answered a call for a pro put-together band for a musician who supposedly travels nationally,has an agent, got all sorts of high dollar gigs (>$300/head) he is going to line up. Has a studio, blah blah blah.

Meet together for first time. Studio is extremely minimal part of warehouse being used by other bands with poor sound insulation. Top notch players recruited. All great players - except the "pro". Played down 20 songs for first rehearsal in two hours.

End of rehersal, I asked some direct questions about future gigs to which I got total squirmy b.s. "Of course, we may have to take a few low dollar jobs to get established". I looked at him and my demeanor probably said "the games over". Got my walking papers by email a week later. Cut my losses, but I was still out a couple hours plus gas and load in/out.

Caveat Emptor

Similar experience about 1.5 years ago, plus it was going to include "touring Europe". Didn't pass the smell test from 100 feet away but the guy had a rep as a decent player. Turned out he could play, but he was a lifelong stoner wanna-be with big dreams and little ability to implement them.

OTOH, the other guys that were recruited and I ended up forming a band that's turned out to be pretty decent and is developing a nice following.