Gibson neck dive....not my Gibsons

[DiabolusInMusic]

You've mistake balance with "not able to move due to a strap that doesn't slide". Throw a cheap nylon strap on there. Those mofos will slam their headstocks into the floor.

The angle at which the OP plays helps a lot as well. If you wear your bass at "proper" height, it should fall right onto your lap for proper sitting position, the bass sits at a much more level resting point, which makes it head to the floor.

 

[Matt O]

You've mistake balance with "not able to move due to a strap that doesn't slide". Throw a cheap nylon strap on there. Those mofos will slam their headstocks into the floor.

IME, nylon strap + any bass and I'm asking for it. I really don't know how people feel comfortable using a nylon strap, but to each their own as they say.

 

[awilkie84]

The angle at which the OP plays helps a lot as well. If you wear your bass at "proper" height, it should fall right onto your lap for proper sitting position, the bass sits at a much more level resting point, which makes it head to the floor.

I play with much the same angle as he does. My T-bird dives when it's not on my suede strap.

 

[TBird1958]

It really looks like Nikki is struggling to hold this bass up....... Seriously, some of you need to hit gym!

 

[DiabolusInMusic]

It really looks like Nikki is struggling to hold this bass up....... Seriously, some of you need to hit gym!

I can lift a T-Bird with ease, I just have higher priorities for my hands when I am on a gig, such as playing the neck instead of holding it up.

To each their own.

 

[Ric5]

Sure u have,just look at my original post lol

I don't always believe pictures on the internet ... I'm not saying I don't trust you ... I just don't trust anybody ... I have picked up enough t-birds to know that the basic design is really cool looking, but it is also not balanced correctly. The SG basses are better but still not balanced correctly. The front strap pin on a bass should line up around the 12th fret. This location sets a balance point. It is all basic simple physics with a balance point and the center of gravity. If the weight on the neck side of the balance point is more than the body side it will tip the wrong way. A fat strap can mitigate the situation but the problem is still there.

 

[awilkie84]

I don't always believe pictures on the internet ... I'm not saying I don't trust you ... I just don't trust anybody ... I have picked up enough t-birds to know that the basic design is really cool looking, but it is also not balanced correctly. The SG basses are better but still not balanced correctly. The front strap pin on a bass should line up around the 12th fret. This location sets a balance point. It is all basic simple physics with a balance point and the center of gravity. If the weight on the neck side of the balance point is more than the body side it will tip the wrong way. A fat strap can mitigate the situation but the problem is still there.

In general, the 12th fret is a good place for it to be. On T-bird, you can get away with the 14th fret, due to the excess body behind the bridge, IMO.

 

[Ric5]

In general, the 12th fret is a good place for it to be. On T-bird, you can get away with the 14th fret, due to the excess body behind the bridge, IMO.

I agree ... On my fenderbirds I use a homemade straplok extender and I put it around the 14th fret.

 

[radioface]

Not all Gibsons neck dive. My RD Artist and EB something didn't neck dive but, I know what I owned, and I owned a 76 reissue Gibson T Bird (new) that was a neck diving machine that I quickly got fed up with and sold.

 

[hopsbb]

I got to pick up an el cheapo nylon strap.I don't have one.Then I'll retake the pics with it.

 

[Sixgunn]

Only the ones with tort pickguards have neck dive.

 

[Stranger Danger]

I always hear ppl talk about Gibsons having horrible neck dive issues.Whenever I hear this I kinda scratch my head for a second.Mine are perfectly balanced.Even my Epi Tbird doesn't go anywhere.Took these photos to show you why I scratch my head when I hear ppl say that.View attachment 669301

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Doesn't work like that on me but good for you.

 

[wvbass]

Photoshopped? LoL

Sorry. Couldn't find a good "sarcasm" emoticon to go with my previous post. My Thunderbirds balance about like yours does.

 

[hopsbb]

Exactly. Your basses aren't balanced. You're just using a strap that doesn't slide.

You've mistake balance with "not able to move due to a strap that doesn't slide". Throw a cheap nylon strap on there. Those mofos will slam their headstocks into the floor.

I don't always believe pictures on the internet ... I'm not saying I don't trust you ... I just don't trust anybody ... I have picked up enough t-birds to know that the basic design is really cool looking, but it is also not balanced correctly. The SG basses are better but still not balanced correctly. The front strap pin on a bass should line up around the 12th fret. This location sets a balance point. It is all basic simple physics with a balance point and the center of gravity. If the weight on the neck side of the balance point is more than the body side it will tip the wrong way. A fat strap can mitigate the situation but the problem is still there.

Sorry. Couldn't find a good "sarcasm" emoticon to go with my previous post. My Thunderbirds balance about like yours does.

Sarcasm noted lol

Cheapest,crappiest nylon strap I could find


And still balances no neck dive

 

[Psychbunny]

Sarcasm noted lol

Cheapest,crappiest nylon strap I could find
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And still balances no neck dive
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My SG has some minor dive. My Flying V and Midtown have no dive issues at all. My SG has a 3" Gibson, padded strap and this eliminates what little dive it has. My Lakland is well balanced but I still use a 3" padded strap. Why would any one want to use a thin nylon strap? I may just be an old fart but nylon straps dig into my shoulder. I don't use wider straps because of dive I use them so I won't need a shoulder replacement down the road.

 

[Ric5]

Not all Gibsons neck dive. My RD Artist and EB something didn't neck dive but, I know what I owned, and I owned a 76 reissue Gibson T Bird (new) that was a neck diving machine that I quickly got fed up with and sold.

The Gibson Ripper and Grabber, and G-3 basses all had a good upper horn for the strap pin so they didn't dive.

 

[veebass]

The Gibson Ripper and Grabber, and G-3 basses all had a good upper horn for the strap pin so they didn't dive.

Yes, like I said at post #26 of this thread.
I have RDs, Victorys and a Ripper, also owned a Grabber G1 for a long time- none of those neck dive and are pretty similar in that regard to the dozen or so Fenders I have.
My Thunderbirds have the pin at the base of the neck and are quite stable as well, as now shown by the OP even with a skinny strap.

This clip is interesting. It shows Ed balancing a bass heavily influenced by the Gibson RD at about 2.48 min. He correctly puts the "better balance" down to the strap button position on this bass, as though this is some improvement made by this manufacturer. However, he is almost 40 years out of date and makes an error when he says it is different to RDs and Thunderbirds. RDs used the same position for the strap button in the late 70s, as have Thunderbirds for some considerable time. In fact, RDs are less likely to neck dive than the Deldada bass given the RD has a very heavy maple body!
Little wonder so much misinformation exists about Gibson basses.