Right, because the quality of life in China is so much better they must be happier
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Gibson's quality control: has the mojo gone?
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See, that's why apple doesn't make iphones in the U.S. because the suicide nets aren't strong enough to catch us.
Actually its because machines dont experience emotions. Or were nine words too much for you?Right, because the quality of life in China is so much better they must be happier
For some reason I interpreted that as meaning the machine was the end product. I like Gibsons, so I guess I must be ********.
Did I imply that you were ******** at any point for liking Gibson? Or are you just tossing garbage in peoples yards and hoping it doesnt get thrown back?
Gibson makes a great guitar.... when you get a good one. My point about the Epiphones is that they are basically made entirely by machine. Machines that dont get mad, or feel unappreciated or get passed up for a raise or mentally check out because they're interviewing for new job. On the other hand, Gibson has a ton of issues with employees being happy. High turnover and low pay dont equate to consistent quality when so much stuff is done by hand.
The part about 9 words being too much to handle. It's my fault for starting out with the snide remark in the first place. I hear what you're saying though. It would be nice if Gibson had better management at the upper levels and a happier, more productive efficient and better paid work force. The company still manages to put out some decent product even in the face of this adversity. I suppose the sentimentality some of us have for such a historic brand makes us a little more forgiving towards their inconsistencies and idiosyncrasies.
Youre totally right and you make me think of a question.... does it perhaps speak volumes to how amazing a gibson plays and feels that soooo many people are so mad about their company and product deteriorating?
I mean, we wouldnt see any broken hearts if behringer ceased to exist.
Gibson is loved by many but not necessarily because they make amazing instruments. The bass building world at large has caught up to and, in many respects, surpased what Gibson is capable of producing currently. There are plenty of options of the same designs that are as good if not better. Fano, DeGier, Cataldo, Lull, ESP and yes Epiphone along with others have plenty of great Gibson inspired designs. Gibson was one of the originators. Jack Bruce, Felix Pappalardi, John Entwistle, Andy Fraser, Leon Wilkeson and a bunch of British bassists were there with Gibsons from the formative years of rock. Having a bass with that logo on the headstock makes one feel as a kindred spirit with those rock pioneers. For all the hand wringing we may do over the current state of Gibson, the admiration we have for the brand because of what it has achieved and represents will be hard to extinguish.
Friends,
I just got home after rehearsing with my band. The bass is a beast. Fat in every note, but still defined. Played a couple drop D tunes with the bridge pickup alone (tone knob closed) and it cut through the mix, in an old 15" fender combo amp (BX300 I think). Will have a gig this Thursday and another one Saturday. My luthier did a good job and, after the initial bad vibe, I think I'll marry this bass.
Ah! I'm a pick player.
Cheers!
I just got home after rehearsing with my band. The bass is a beast. Fat in every note, but still defined. Played a couple drop D tunes with the bridge pickup alone (tone knob closed) and it cut through the mix, in an old 15" fender combo amp (BX300 I think). Will have a gig this Thursday and another one Saturday. My luthier did a good job and, after the initial bad vibe, I think I'll marry this bass.
Ah! I'm a pick player.
Cheers!
Well, I did get the Norlin takeover a few years too early, but the design changes began no later than 1968. Here's an excerpt from "Gibson's Fabulous Flat-top Guitars: An Illustrated History & Guide".
If one keeps reading through the next page, the situation became worse when Gibson instituted a double X bracing pattern that only served to kill the tone even more. That was 1969 and into the 1970s. So I admit I attributed the design changes to a few years earlier than they actually happened. Well, it was close to 50 years ago now. Specific dates can get a little hazy.
I suppose you have a right to your opinion about 1970's Fujigen-built instruments, I surely don't share it. Nor do many other players and aficionados, now and at the time. I have a 1973 no-brand Fujigen 2350 Les Paul "copy" (it wasn't really a copy, it just looked like one). It's an exquisite instrument by any set of standards, and build quality for build quality, I'd put it up against any Gibson Les Paul from that same era. I do agree that the effort to rebrand the so-very-inaccurately named "Lawsuit" guitars as collectables is entirely wrongheaded. I hope it fails. I'd much prefer to see the copy-era Fujigens remain what they are, great bargains for serious players.
Greg
Which is the reason why I had distanced myself from the acoustic range in my post. I'm not familiar enough with the original designs and the changes that have taken place in that area over the course of decades.
Norlin-era was such a hit-and-miss, IMO, with more misses than hits but with some very interesting designs and finely built instruments which were truly out of the mainstream. But the "mainstream" range - Les Pauls, SGs, EB series - took a turn for the worse in my book, and hasn't really recovered until the 80s and by that time EBs were gone altogether.
You and me both.
I'd agree that the Norlin era Gibson's were hit-and-miss, with more misses that hits, for sure. Among the new concepts, the Grabber bass was a good example of their issues. It was an interesting idea and well-received at first, until the pickup slide (all plastic) got some wear on it. Then the pickup would start sliding around on it's own just from normal player movement on stage. That was NOT a popular development, and that was Gibson in a nutshell during the Norlin era.
Greg
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Harsh, but true! I’ve owned a couple Grabbers. The funny thing about the sliding pickup is you can barely hear the difference, regardless of where it is. Goes from muddy to muddier
I do still love em though
Reverb is a rippoff. They sell boxes and dont stand behind what they sell. They are not musicians. I bought a 2x10 cab from those creeps and it cost me 250$ for shipping and restocking fee to a clip joint in washington state. I cannot express how bad they are without going into profane language. Sorry you got robbed sir. Reverb is NOT A GOOD QUALITY BUSINESS WITH THE MUSICIAN IN MIND. had you gotten it from musicians friend or other retailer your return would be accepted promptly. I bought an ampioifier from musicians friend. It was a marshall and very expensive. It didnt work right out of the box and they sent a ups call tag and picked it. Up for the return. Again reverb is a rippoff.
Well, there's always Chapter 11 and they might just get rid of Henry J. in the process so not all would be lost...
Yeah, was that not the dumbest idea you have ever seen in your life?
