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GK MB 212 II Rant. Not Happy

I don't have a dog in this fight, but it would seem to me that, if a major company like GK is going to " authorize " a repair facility to service their products, then that repair facility should have to live up to certain expectations and standards in order to get the authorization in the first place. If that isn't happening, then GK needs to know about it, and, imho, take care of it. But most importantly, they've got a defective unit here and the customer should not have had to wait this long for a resolution. It's beginning to sound like buck passing to me.
 
Yikes. That does stink.

Not to be all "Other then that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" But any chance you can take some photos of taking the GK apart and how you're adding the foam?

If I ever get my amp back and decide to keep it, that's a mod I would like to do.
Dang! I already put it all back together. I didn't even take any pics.
 
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I can tell you that if you were working with me at Sweetwater, this situation would not happen.

Let me know if I can be helping you with anything.
I can back this up with personal experience. My Sweetwater rep is always a step ahead and went over and above for a bass that had a defective pickup. He even sent the replacement bass before I returned the original to make sure I was satisfied. Thank you Jeff! It's the only place I purchase gear now.

Edit: I just ordered the same amp (GK212 II) from them, out of stock atm but I have no concern about product support from Sweetwater. I saw all I needed at GearFest 2016 to convince me this company knows how to run a business(s). I'm not going down that finger pointing road again.

So sorry to hear you had to deal with such a long wait. What a train wreck.

Deak
 
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Pudgychef, when you said Zen G "hit the nail", you agreed with Zen G's interpretation, or assumption of what was said. GK did not say, " We couldn't care less", as he interpreted it. In fact, what GK was quoted as saying was, "we have no control over the repair facility...we just send parts there".
That means exactly what it means. There was no hidden meaning in that sentence. Factually, GK has no control over a 3rd party repair facility. They have no idea of their work load, staffing, standard operating procedures, and they're not in their chain of management. They provide service parts to the company when they're ordered, and that, as they stated, is the extent of their relations and affiliation to the company.

GK is not in a position to say, "hey company, you're not repairing this persons amp fast enough. You need to put his amp repair order in front of everyone else's". If they were in that position, every manufacturer that facility repairs
Could leapfrog each other, barking orders to the company, effectively eliminating their own management.

As I said before, it's the repair facilities fault, up to that point. If GK still isn't cooperative, that's a different situation, and not what I was commenting on. Some manufacturers go above and beyond. That's exceptional business. Just because a company doesn't drop ship a product on their own dime immediately upon hearing about an issue, doesn't mean they have poor customer service. A companies' warranty card has their obligations, conditions and exceptions for repairs under warranty.

Making a phone call to look into it would have been 10min well spent and eliminated the malarkey and confusion. Never suggested they request to be leapfrogged...just look into it.

Never said a word about GK paying shipping etc etc....a phone call...phones can still be used to talk....and of course a major manufacturer can contact one of their repair facilities...do they HAVE to? No...Would it have been worth the tiny effort? IMHO yes.

All I meant by quotting Zen G was that GK dropped the ball on a chance to offer service and help a customer who has received a poor product. A phone call...
 
What is the warranty? 1 year? If so it has spent 1/3 of its warranty unusable at a GK authorized repair facility. This is bs and it should be replaced. This thread is giving GK a black eye here on talkbass, and I am surprised they have not made it right yet. And at this point, a call to the repair center is not enough.
 
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Making a phone call to look into it would have been 10min well spent and eliminated the malarkey and confusion. Never suggested they request to be leapfrogged...just look into it.

Never said a word about GK paying shipping etc etc....a phone call...phones can still be used to talk....and of course a major manufacturer can contact one of their repair facilities...do they HAVE to? No...Would it have been worth the tiny effort? IMHO yes.

All I meant by quotting Zen G was that GK dropped the ball on a chance to offer service and help a customer who has received a poor product. A phone call...
To be fair, the phone calls have started between GK and the repair facility.

Not sure where it will get me, but I'll keep everyone posted.
 
Maybe I m an old fart, but it seems like all electronics these days are disposable. Not just musical equipment, but appliances, tv s, computers,etc , and its hard for me to justify spending good money on something that has a life expectancy of 3-4 years before it craps the bed. I would rather buy an older, better built piece of gear than something newer because of reliability/ longevity issues. And as seen with the Ampeg ps 500 fiasco, you cannot, on most newer equipment, have it repaired for less than the cost of new, while older amps can, in most circumstances be repaired easily at an affordable cost that makes it worth repairing and keeping. Don't mean to hijack your, thread, Studio GC, as I type this on a 16 month old laptop that has been back to HP 2 times and still isn t right and is out of warranty. Good luck and I hope this is made right and the amp lasts you forever. Maybe I just need another coffee.
 
Um....yea....something like that....
(weren't so helpful after selling me a new but dead hartke kilo...). Don't break a leg falling from that high-horse.

Hi Susqmike! Not sure who you worked with but if I can step in and take care of you somehow, please let me know. You can PM or call me at 800 222 4700 ext 1633.

It's not to say that we have never made mistakes, but when we do we try to make things right.
 
You must have missed the thread where a player bought a damaged bass from SW and was sent out a used bass as a "new replacement."
I received excellent service from your company but these Murphy situations can happen to any well-intentioned company.

When I bought a new GK from an online vendor, two of the feet were deformed. I figured, no big deal. I called GK and they UPS'ed me four new feet free of charge. Never contacted the online seller at all. The techie followed up with an email offering me to directly contact him for any needs in the future.

My two GK's run flawlessly. Sorry chap but I think you were the victim of a perfect storm. The stars were aligned for disaster. One thing I know for sure is I would never set foot in that store again.

An afterthought. Have you thought about contacting Bass Player magazine or any other large online professional equipment magazine? They have the attention of manufacturers in the industry and would probably love to hear about this big-time fiasco. I think someone like BP could very successfully mediate for you. And if they DO contact you, tell them at this point you don't even want that amp back, please send you a new, sealed replacement amp, thank you. very much.

I'm not saying we don't make mistakes, but we at least try to rectify the situation ASAP, at least that's what I do for my customers.
 
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but it would seem to me that, if a major company like GK is going to " authorize " a repair facility to service their products, then that repair facility should have to live up to certain expectations and standards in order to get the authorization in the first place. If that isn't happening, then GK needs to know about it, and, imho, take care of it. But most importantly, they've got a defective unit here and the customer should not have had to wait this long for a resolution. It's beginning to sound like buck passing to me.
+1....Well said!
 
I've been saving for a GK212 II but having read about the amount of problems that people seem to be having with them, PLUS the apparent service issues, I'm having serious doubts as to where my hard earned money should go when I finally have enough saved....sigh......I can feel yet another 'Help Me Choose A Combo' thread coming on in the near future.....

Noooooo! I hear you cry! :sorry:
 
I've been saving for a GK212 II but having read about the amount of problems that people seem to be having with them, PLUS the apparent service issues, I'm having serious doubts as to where my hard earned money should go when I finally have enough saved....sigh......I can feel yet another 'Help Me Choose A Combo' thread coming on in the near future.....

Noooooo! I hear you cry! :sorry:
Keep in mind, chances are very good that you will get a trouble-free GK amp. I find that in general, people will take the time to complain on an internet forum much more often and quickly than they are likely to post if they are not having any issuses.

I am in no way, nor is it my intention to downplay the situation at hand in this thread, the OP's dilemma is a horror story, and I can certainly see his warranted frustration. But I am confident GK (and many other manufacturers) are turning out tons of gear that never see the inside of a repair shop.
 
Keep in mind, chances are very good that you will get a trouble-free GK amp. I find that in general, people will take the time to complain on an internet forum much more often and quickly than they are likely to post if they are not having any issuses.

I am in no way, nor is it my intention to downplay the situation at hand in this thread, the OP's dilemma is a horror story, and I can certainly see his warranted frustration. But I am confident GK (and many other manufacturers) are turning out tons of gear that never see the inside of a repair shop.
You're probably correct in what you're saying and I'll admit that I'm prone to overreacting when it comes to horror stories.....

However....I do seem to be a Lemon magnet....so I'll see how things turn out for the OP and decide what to buy when the time comes....:thumbsup:
 
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...GK did not say, " We couldn't care less", as he interpreted it. In fact, what GK was quoted as saying was, "we have no control over the repair facility...we just send parts there".
That means exactly what it means. There was no hidden meaning in that sentence. Factually, GK has no control over a 3rd party repair facility. They have no idea of their work load, staffing, standard operating procedures, and they're not in their chain of management. They provide service parts to the company when they're ordered, and that, as they stated, is the extent of their relations and affiliation to the company.

GK is not in a position to say, "hey company, you're not repairing this persons amp fast enough. You need to put his amp repair order in front of everyone else's". If they were in that position, every manufacturer that facility repairs
Could leapfrog each other, barking orders to the company, effectively eliminating their own management.


...Just because a company doesn't drop ship a product on their own dime immediately upon hearing about an issue, doesn't mean they have poor customer service. A companies' warranty card has their obligations, conditions and exceptions for repairs under warranty.


Exactly, wish people would understand this concept. It's a crappy situation, but it's clearly stated that they do not and cannot exercise any kind of authority over this facility. Concerning the people saying they could threaten them with pulling their authorization to do repairs for GK, wouldn't having a far off and distant repair center for your amps make warranty work even more frustrating for people experiencing issues? The "I have to drive X miles just to get my GK amp serviced? Last time I buy stuff from them!" threads would start coming up in that area.

I sincerely hope they offer some sort of replacement or quick fix for the OP. They make great stuff and it's crappy to hear about gear going out on people. However you can't blame a company employee for sticking to their policy. It's very likely out of his/her control to make such a call or exception. From someone who has to spend every day barking out SOP rules to his userbase, I can understand the frustration for someone who wants to help but isn't allowed to.
 
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Yesterday I took delivery of my GK MB108 from Sam Ash. It sounds sweet. With the volume at its lowest setting around 8 o'clock and the bass eq up to 11 o'clock, it's loud, clear and deep. Although it seems like it could handle a band situation, common sense (and TB) says definitely not. The GK's digital circuitry is designed to shut down, if there's an overload or short. I hope this space shuttle technology is robust.
 
Exactly, wish people would understand this concept. It's a crappy situation, but it's clearly stated that they do not and cannot exercise any kind of authority over this facility. Concerning the people saying they could threaten them with pulling their authorization to do repairs for GK, wouldn't having a far off and distant repair center for your amps make warranty work even more frustrating for people experiencing issues? The "I have to drive X miles just to get my GK amp serviced? Last time I buy stuff from them!" threads would start coming up in that area.

I sincerely hope they offer some sort of replacement or quick fix for the OP. They make great stuff and it's crappy to hear about gear going out on people. However you can't blame a company employee for sticking to their policy. It's very likely out of his/her control to make such a call or exception. From someone who has to spend every day barking out SOP rules to his userbase, I can understand the frustration for someone who wants to help but isn't allowed to.
Listen, I seriously hope my amp goes to the front of the repair line after over three months without it. I think I deserve that much don't you think?
 
Listen, I seriously hope my amp goes to the front of the repair line after over three months without it. I think I deserve that much don't you think?

That repair facility owes you a working amp ASAP, an in-person apology, and free work on the gear of your choice IMO. There's no excuse for how they are behaving, on that much we can agree. If you ask me, they owe you some beer and steak on top of all that. Those guys are jerks, of that much I'm sure we can agree.