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Got $400 to spend only at GC - Gas'ing for M13
- Thread starter walknbluez
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It let's you blend effects. With a series setup Effect A -> B -> C -> D.
With parallel
in __ / A -> B \___> out
\ C -> D /
So you can blend effects or blend effects with a dry signal.
Still over my head. Can you give me a practical example in a live setting why this is needed? Or is it needed?
It's not needed, well until it is need just like distortion isn't need to play bass until you need it to play bass
Basically it's a whole new world of fx and processing your signal.
I like it, I use it all the time, you might not, but if you ever wanted to, could you?
Vague I know
Sorry, my text diagram had the alignment messed up.
Parallel just means you split the signal into two or more, effect each separately and then mix them back together. Maybe distortion with a dry signal blended in.
Parallel just means you split the signal into two or more, effect each separately and then mix them back together. Maybe distortion with a dry signal blended in.
So if one is unable to do that, as with the M9, what is the difference in sound vs. If I could do it?
Ok a proper example
In series everything runs in a line so lets take 4 fx and run them in series
Octaver - Fuzz - Chorus - Delay
So you are running these and you are running all 4 at a time meaning the octaver signal gets fuzzed up and then the fuzzy octave signal gets chorus'd and all 3 then get delay'd
If you parallel it you might do something like this
Octaver - Fuzz
and
Chorus - Delay
This mean the octaver gets fuzzed up and this is one tone that is then blended with your clean tone that is being chorus'd and delayed.
Then think of all the combinations of this especially with pitch shifters so
Fuzz - Filter
Pitch shift up 1 oct - Distortion
This would give you a keyboard synth bass sound that has a guitar playing along with it.
It is complex and you probably wouldn't *need* it but this doesn't seem to be a thread about need this seems to be a thread about $400 burning a hole in your pocket and you wanting to expand your horizons
I see now! Thanks. This *may* come in handy. I'm in a trio and we play some progressive material as well and the guitarist would like ways to fill in the sound and make it bigger.
I understand the multi effect hate because I too have been there with my past experience with certain multieffect pedals. As for the M13 and M9 I will say that they outshine the rest as others have stated in this thread. It is literally like having 3 (M9) or 4 (m13) stompboxes ready to run in any order the effect of your choosing. The overdrives and distortions are still pretty sucky on bass ime but I remedy that with a blender pedal to get some of the low end back in to the dirtier effects. Tracking is very good for bass on the majority of effects. As for not being able to run effects in different order etc as some mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, it is just not the case with the m9/m13. You can run 4 delays at the same time (m13) if you want to and you can switch any one of those delays off at any time and the other three will continue to run in sequence. It is simply limited to your creativity with the four different effects - just as if you were using 4 solo delay pedals and decided to switch off pedal 3 and leave the others running.
As for live use, you are a bass player and depending on what style of music you play you may be expected to keep some sort of rhythm which can be difficult when you are crafting something otherworldly using your new found effect goddess. Depending on what type of band you are in, effects are going to be common or totally uncommon on bass for the style of music you play. You may get dirty looks bringing a "guitar player's pedal" to the rehearsal... lol. I personally play in a band where I am allowed to experiment with things even though it is antigenre and i also dabble with the darker arts (guitar and keys...) so it was a great buy for me.
I would also say that I agree with others that high end pedals are going to be the best sound for your money, but they should because they are high end pedals (bass whammy comes to mind) and can end up costing you more than the m13 for one... You are paying a relatively cheap price for a plethora of effects where I would guess that 90% of the listeners will never know that the effects coming from your rig didn't or did cost you x-hundred dollars each. It is definitely cheaper to go with this multi board to try out tons of pretty darn good sounding effects instead of going on the neverending hunt for the perfect sounding solo pedals.
Either way i would say play the heck out of it in the store before you make your decision and grab some of the other pedals mentioned in this thread to put them up as a test against the multieffect board. It is one of the nice things about GC that you can test the product in store and that you have thirty days to test it at home before you can return it for a full refund if it doesn't float your boat. Only you can decide which will be the best buy for your money according to your ears. Good luck to you and I hope you find what you are looking for!
As for live use, you are a bass player and depending on what style of music you play you may be expected to keep some sort of rhythm which can be difficult when you are crafting something otherworldly using your new found effect goddess. Depending on what type of band you are in, effects are going to be common or totally uncommon on bass for the style of music you play. You may get dirty looks bringing a "guitar player's pedal" to the rehearsal... lol. I personally play in a band where I am allowed to experiment with things even though it is antigenre and i also dabble with the darker arts (guitar and keys...) so it was a great buy for me.
I would also say that I agree with others that high end pedals are going to be the best sound for your money, but they should because they are high end pedals (bass whammy comes to mind) and can end up costing you more than the m13 for one... You are paying a relatively cheap price for a plethora of effects where I would guess that 90% of the listeners will never know that the effects coming from your rig didn't or did cost you x-hundred dollars each. It is definitely cheaper to go with this multi board to try out tons of pretty darn good sounding effects instead of going on the neverending hunt for the perfect sounding solo pedals.
Either way i would say play the heck out of it in the store before you make your decision and grab some of the other pedals mentioned in this thread to put them up as a test against the multieffect board. It is one of the nice things about GC that you can test the product in store and that you have thirty days to test it at home before you can return it for a full refund if it doesn't float your boat. Only you can decide which will be the best buy for your money according to your ears. Good luck to you and I hope you find what you are looking for!
jbass80, is the Boss LS-2 a blender pedal?
I hear what you are saying, I have to keep reminding myself that these are guitar units and weren't made specifically for bass.
My band has some songs that were recorded originally with two guitars. However, we are playing as a trio live. I did like TaySte_2000's example where with the M13 you could do a bass sound with a guitar playing along with it. The guitarist wants me to put chorus and overdrive on my bass to sound more like the original recording where there is a bass and distorted rhythm guitar while he plays lead.
If it sounds good, my bandmates don't mind experimentation.
I hear what you are saying, I have to keep reminding myself that these are guitar units and weren't made specifically for bass.
My band has some songs that were recorded originally with two guitars. However, we are playing as a trio live. I did like TaySte_2000's example where with the M13 you could do a bass sound with a guitar playing along with it. The guitarist wants me to put chorus and overdrive on my bass to sound more like the original recording where there is a bass and distorted rhythm guitar while he plays lead.
If it sounds good, my bandmates don't mind experimentation.
Yes. You can use the LS-2 to blend a clean signal if you have it set that way. You run your clean signal into the input and run your effect chain on channel a and nothing on channel b and it makes channel b a clean blend to whatever you have running through channel a.
I hope that makes sense as it is from memory and not actually looking at the pedal... lol.
That's cool about the trio thing. I hope it works well for you guys.
I hope that makes sense as it is from memory and not actually looking at the pedal... lol.
That's cool about the trio thing. I hope it works well for you guys.
One other thing.....my bandmate is very helpful in offering his advice and one of the things he was concerned with was that these units, not being made specifically for bass, won't sound as good as one that is because of bass being a lower frequency and these effects being made for guitar frequency. Seemed to make sense but then I see so many tb'ers with the M's. How do you explain why these work for bass?
Well the green monster DL4 sounds great with a bass and the purple FM4 and blue one MM4 also have effects that sound great on bass as well.
I think the popularity of those previous effects with bass players made line 6 cater this more to cover a wider range of frequencies with certain patches definitely being made for bass players (definitely the octaver...)
Most of the effects on the M9/13 sound great with bass. You definitely lose bottom end on some of the overdrives and distortions but I have read that you can dial some back in using an eq effect (also in the M9/M13) running after the distortion or overdrive. Like I said, I blend clean back in on the effects that suck out the bottom end. The stuff that I think sounds amazing on bass has excellent tracking for bass frequencies ime. That may differ for certain people but to me choruses flangers eqs reverbs (in moderation lol) can sound awesome on bass using this pedal. And then there is the octaver which I've read on here tracks better than what is commonly considered one of the better solo octaver pedals for bass. I would love to see a filter of some sort on the pedal in the future which would just push it more towards being a very smart buy for a bass player.
There are some effects that just sound funny to me on bass because they truly only seem to fit on a guitar. Once again, I can't name them off the top of my head because I don't use them and it is simply my opinion.
I think the popularity of those previous effects with bass players made line 6 cater this more to cover a wider range of frequencies with certain patches definitely being made for bass players (definitely the octaver...)
Most of the effects on the M9/13 sound great with bass. You definitely lose bottom end on some of the overdrives and distortions but I have read that you can dial some back in using an eq effect (also in the M9/M13) running after the distortion or overdrive. Like I said, I blend clean back in on the effects that suck out the bottom end. The stuff that I think sounds amazing on bass has excellent tracking for bass frequencies ime. That may differ for certain people but to me choruses flangers eqs reverbs (in moderation lol) can sound awesome on bass using this pedal. And then there is the octaver which I've read on here tracks better than what is commonly considered one of the better solo octaver pedals for bass. I would love to see a filter of some sort on the pedal in the future which would just push it more towards being a very smart buy for a bass player.
There are some effects that just sound funny to me on bass because they truly only seem to fit on a guitar. Once again, I can't name them off the top of my head because I don't use them and it is simply my opinion.
Just about every effect that would normally kill bass has some sort of EQ, filter, or blend setting to bring the bass back into it.
Also, I personally don't have any problems with the distortions as long as my English Muff'n is running post signal. For me it really breathes life into the dirts on the M13.
That sounds freaking awesome.
How would you wire the M13 and LS-2 up to accomplish this? And what programming on the M13 would you have to do?
See my current setup in my profile.
Only programming is to set where in the chain the effects loop is.
The M's have EQ's and blend settings built into the effects? The reason I'm confused about this is because as I read in this thread I thought you needed a separate pedal to blend?
Interesting! And nice setup.
So you're using the Badger Schism instead of an LS-2?
Is it wired as:
Badger Loop 1 Send--> Line6 M13 input --> M13 effect send --> Loop 1 Return
Badger Loop 2 Send--> Line6 M13 effect return --> M13 output --> Loop 2 Return
??
Interesting! And nice setup.
So you're using the Badger Schism instead of an LS-2?
Is it wired as:
Badger Loop 1 Send--> Line6 M13 input --> M13 effect send --> Loop 1 Return
Badger Loop 2 Send--> Line6 M13 effect return --> M13 output --> Loop 2 Return
??
Right. And thanks.
