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Got $400 to spend only at GC - Gas'ing for M13

#22
I really shouldn't have stuck my neck out in this conversation ,its obvious that multi effects have had some nice developments over the years. My main points still hold,

Lack of modular design, one thing breaks its all broken, or if you don't like an effect you can sell it, not so for a multi.

Quality of sound. I don't just see how anyone, anywhere can claim a multieffect ped can produce thick rich effects like a board of 10-15 high end individual pedals can.

I do admit, those early "points" are bunk, apparently. I haven't tried multieffects in several years, so im not aware of those nice additions.
 
#24
Blankmann44 said:
I can't say that it is. I haven't tried the line6 multiefects pedals.

Another short coming is you can't order the effects how you like them. For instance, say you are using distortion and a filter. Which effect comes first will have an effect on the tone, but you won't be able to chose with a multi effects ped. Distortion into a filter is subtly different from a filter into distortion.

Lastly, let me just say im NOT an expert on multi effect pedals, i don't know all the various features of the newer model stuff, like the m13, m9. But almost anyone will tell you a combination of individual stomp box effects will sound better and limit you less than a multieffects pedal.
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You haven't used a Line6 multi and your last statement is based on other opinions.

Others here (including me) use and own the Line6 M9/13 and find it very good. Maybe you should check one out.

By the way, I have a discrete pedal board with what some would consider a pretty good selection of pedals. Not looking to get rid of my board, but I do like my M9.
 
#25
My advice is, from personal experience, its a longer and more expensive route to get a multi ped and then sell it later only to hop on the solo box train. So, if you get a multi ped, make sure it something you are very very happy with. It is a $400 pedal after all, quite an investment.

Also, there is always a great Solo box used market. You could probably get both a dist and chorus pedal used for like $125-150.
 
#26
LuvMusic said:
You haven't used a Line6 multi and your last statement is based on other opinions.

Others here (including me) use and own the Line6 M9/13 and find it very good. Maybe you should check one out.

By the way, I have a discrete pedal board with what some would consider a pretty good selection of pedals. Not looking to get rid of my board, but I do like my M9.
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True, my posts are opinion based, and ive done all i could to make sure it was known to be only an opinion. But in my opinion multieffects are for value ,not for sound. I mean, a lovetone meatball into an octabss is just gonna sound better than a multieffects ped. A deep impact is gonna smoke a synth setting on a multiped.

Im out, said way way more than i meant to. Ive tried both approaches and am comfortable with spending more to get more.
 
#27
Blankmann44 said:
True, my posts are opinion based, and ive done all i could to make sure it was known to be only an opinion. But in my opinion multieffects are for value ,not for sound. I mean, a lovetone meatball into an octabss is just gonna sound better than a multieffects ped. A deep impact is gonna smoke a synth setting on a multiped.

Im out, said way way more than i meant to. Ive tried both approaches and am comfortable with spending more to get more.
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Hey, you made a few valid points and I appreciate your input.
 
#28
Blankmann44 said:
My advice is, from personal experience, its a longer and more expensive route to get a multi ped and then sell it later only to hop on the solo box train. So, if you get a multi ped, make sure it something you are very very happy with. It is a $400 pedal after all, quite an investment.

Also, there is always a great Solo box market. You could probably get both a dist and chorus pedal used for like $125-150.
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I sold all my other pedals because of this box. I t makes great sounds and value wise kicks the pants off of most solo boxes. For example get a good tuner, delay, fuzz and OD. Something decent like that is easliy $400+. Now add to that the graphic EQ's they added and you really have some value. It's easy to carry and use. If you need 10 pedals on at once then go the solo route. I use 2-4 with a bass or git. You can order them anyway you want. i have a scene for every guitar and bass. They all have settings that are ready to go for THAT instrument.

Couldn't ask for anything simpler and easy to use. Worth every penny.
 
#29
redstrand said:
I sold all my other pedals because of this box. I t makes great sounds and value wise kicks the pants off of most solo boxes. For example get a good tuner, delay, fuzz and OD. Something decent like that is easliy $400+. Now add to that the graphic EQ's they added and you really have some value. It's easy to carry and use. If you need 10 pedals on at once then go the solo route. I use 2-4 with a bass or git. You can order them anyway you want. i have a scene for every guitar and bass. They all have settings that are ready to go for THAT instrument.

Couldn't ask for anything simpler and easy to use. Worth every penny.
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I gotta say, not being able to reorder the effects is something I love being wrong about. Picture the Boss m50b or whatever its called. That's what im going off mainly. Those "scenes" are simply put, a great idea and implementation. That was always such a sticking point for me.
 
#30
Blankmann44 said:
I gotta say, not being able to reorder the effects is something I love being wrong about. Picture the Boss m50b or whatever its called. That's what im going off mainly. Those "scenes" are simply put, a great idea and implementation. That was always such a sticking point for me.
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The M9 and M13 especially are much closer to individual effects than a multi-effect unit.
 
#33
walknbluez said:
True and good point. However, I'm playing straight into a tube amp as it is right now with zero effects and just need chorus and distortion for the time being. I get what you are saying about individual pedals though and have been considering that as well.
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I'd say if all you want is chorus and distortion, buy those in single effects and save the rest of the cash for more pedals down the road, or strings, accessories, etc.
 
#35
Blankmann, you're right about one thing. You're not going to get all the perfect effects out of a M# that you would out of sorting your own individual pedal board; but the effects are good enough that, for many, it doesn't feel like much of a tone sacrifice when you use it. Combine that with the fact that people rarely use more than 3 or 4 effects at a time and the M9 easily fits on a board with a couple other pedals and you have a very versatile, usable unit.

They're not for everybody, but they have very few of the traditional multi-effect drawbacks.
 
#36
What warranty plan did you purchase? Was it Guitar Center's extended service plan that they push as being no hassle? How much was the amp originally if they're now saying that their warranty commitment is $400 in store credit? That sucks and I want to make sure I stay far away from it.
 
#37
cybersnyder said:
What warranty plan did you purchase? Was it Guitar Center's extended service plan that they push as being no hassle? How much was the amp originally if they're now saying that their warranty commitment is $400 in store credit? That sucks and I want to make sure I stay far away from it.
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It's GC's Performance Guarantee adminstered by TWG Innovative solutions. It is a complete joke and the people that work there are the most unprofessional I have encountered. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, you call there at different times and you will get a different answer. For example, the first time I called they said the limit of liability would be reached with $100 more. The second call was $400. For all I know the $100 could be correct (but I already got my check). Anyway, the original purchaser got the amp on a blowout sale from GC and so the total was based on that amount. I bought it used from him and the warranty was transferred to me. I had used it once already (had lots of hassles the first time too) and so that is why the limit was reached.
 
#38
This thread is near painful to read.

The M13 and M9 are different to all other multi fx out there.

You can use any of the fx in any order and basically use whatever pedal where ever, want 3 delays not a problem, want 3 pitch shifters not a problem.

If you need 4 fx to get a sound then get the M13, you'd be surprised what you can do with 3 fx though.

The M13 is a better buy than the M9 as with a Boss LS-2 you can get it to parallel process which is very advanced functionallity, most people don't/can't do this correctly with their pedalboards.

You are not limited to only use the M9/M13 you can put pedals before or after it and with the M13 in the signal chain using the fx loop which again you can move to different points in the signal chain.

Again if you have the M13 you can use the fx loop to biamp (send different fx to different amps)

Let's not forget you can control any parameter of any fx with either expression control, the amount of things you can do here as well are mind blowing.

I use these as the other fx, I have a long list of things I like so I own those and then the M13 does everything else, it is particuarly good as a looper with the delays and verbs being stunning. No the analog delay isn't as analog sounding as most analog delays, but the digitals are every bit as good as what most people are using and the tap tempo being global you can do all sorts of crazy things with modulations, sample and hold filters and delays.

The best way to think of the M13 or M9 is you are only limited you by what you can imagine.
 
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