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Double Bass Guess the Transducer (No Penalties for wrong guesses)
- Thread starter rickwolff
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Come on, folks. Don't be shy.
I'll even give you partial credit for naming the TYPE OF TRANSDUCER even if you don't want to take a stab at the make and model.
I'll even give you partial credit for naming the TYPE OF TRANSDUCER even if you don't want to take a stab at the make and model.
I have NFI, but #2 sounds "fuller" almost as if it is capturing the resonating body of the instrument, not just the (isolated?) vibration of the string (as in #1.)
Also - are we hearing ONLY the transducer, and ZERO of the un-transduced, acoustic sound of the bass?
I need more hard data to make my uninformed decision.
Please and Thank You!
Also - are we hearing ONLY the transducer, and ZERO of the un-transduced, acoustic sound of the bass?
I need more hard data to make my uninformed decision.
Please and Thank You!
Ahh, brave man. Thank you, Don !
You are hearing VERY little of the acoustic bass (which is facing away from the recorder and the amp is turned up fairly high - relative to the bass itself).
Your comments are pointing in the right direction.
PS I'm already preparing your 'Participation Medal'.
You are hearing VERY little of the acoustic bass (which is facing away from the recorder and the amp is turned up fairly high - relative to the bass itself).
Your comments are pointing in the right direction.
PS I'm already preparing your 'Participation Medal'.
I listened to the clip again and I think another way of saying "fuller" is that #2 sounds more 'three dimensional'.
Yes.
I've been referred to as being "three dimensional" as well. (My Doctor thinks he is Phunny.)
It is a fatter sound. Agreed.
Correct on channel 1
#2 is the Xlson Chuck Israels mic (I've made better recordings with it.)
Well, I guess technically a microphone is a transducer and since you didn't specify piezo electric transducer your within the scope of "transducer". Frankly,
I couldn't tell the difference as much as I thought I'd be able to. Just goes to show you, like the Downbeat Blindfold test, things are not always what they seem. The notes
don't clip off with the Xlson like they do with the KNB-1 and the honk dissapears.
I couldn't tell the difference as much as I thought I'd be able to. Just goes to show you, like the Downbeat Blindfold test, things are not always what they seem. The notes
don't clip off with the Xlson like they do with the KNB-1 and the honk dissapears.
Thanks for the demo, Rick! Very useful. The difference was clear. You could hear the piezo honk on ch.1. But this was in your living room all alone with your bass and with lowish output volume.
What about on a stage with drums and guitar smokin´next to you? Can you still here the difference and does the mic bleed? Maybe one can eq the honk out a bit... You may also start to think about the price difference between these two transducers. And maybe the piezo starts to feel quite reasonable
And yes, I know you like your KNA. I also like mine and my Full Circle. It´s always nice to blend in some mic though
What about on a stage with drums and guitar smokin´next to you? Can you still here the difference and does the mic bleed? Maybe one can eq the honk out a bit... You may also start to think about the price difference between these two transducers. And maybe the piezo starts to feel quite reasonable
And yes, I know you like your KNA. I also like mine and my Full Circle. It´s always nice to blend in some mic though
I think they both sound good. But Rick.... your desk!
The table shows that it`s the second last stage of GAS. The last one is the terminal one with patient choking under cardboard boxes, knobs coming out of mouth and nose and cables tightening around limbs and throat. It`s all a very sad thing to see.
Just goes to show me that as someone actually trying to make a living doing this, I could use the kna and sound almost as good and save $900, or over a week of $100 gigs. A lot of these boutique gear items are for established stars or hobbyists with real jobs.
Thanks for the demo, Rick! Very useful. The difference was clear. You could hear the piezo honk on ch.1. But this was in your living room all alone with your bass and with lowish output volume.
What about on a stage with drums and guitar smokin´next to you? Can you still here the difference and does the mic bleed? Maybe one can eq the honk out a bit... You may also start to think about the price difference between these two transducers. And maybe the piezo starts to feel quite reasonable
And yes, I know you like your KNA. I also like mine and my Full Circle. It´s always nice to blend in some mic though
Hi Elmer,
I'd love to visit Finland someday (and the rest of Scandinavia - I'm half Swedish - my mothers family came over 2 and 3 generations ago).
For one of my regular gigs I play my 'second bass' which just has the KNA on it. It sounds fine.
Tonight (New Years Eve gig) I played my 'big bass and just ran the microphone. There really is a difference and it's more than just a difference in tone. The whole feeling is different - probably because of the different attack-decay with a good mic which really does sound just like playing your bass acoustically in a good room.
My preference is to play in quieter, typically drummerless groups. My main group is a pianist, a singer, and me on bass. That's what we had tonight (plus a tenor sax player) and it was really pleasant.
Lurk, I totally agree. Part of my intent for posting this was to show that you can indeed get a very good sound from the KNA piezo. On many gigs that are louder than a quiet piano-bass duo the difference starts to get lost as the volume goes up.
I have the good fortune of being able to play in quieter settings and without a drummer most of the time. Tonight was such a gig. Playing through just the Xlson Mic made it sound and feel just like I was playing without amplification in a small space with really good acoustics. In reality, even though the band was low-volume it was a pretty good-sized room with about 20 tables of diners. As it was a retirement home they kept asking us to turn down the volume anyway. (I think they had their hearing-aids turned up too high).
You might add another category besides 'established stars or hobbyists with real jobs'. I am neither but I am retired from my 'real job' and as long as I make at least enough money to support my gear habit my wife has no complaints (though she does question sometimes why I need 3 or 4 pre-amps. She's actually right about that one.)
Why??? For the 3 or 4 new double basses that you need to get, of course.
Thank goodness that's one contagious disease I have not caught. It's one thing to mess around with strings, amps, mics, pickups etc. etc. etc. but God forbid I start thinking about more Double Basses.
I was in my luthiers shop a couple years ago - I had bought my Shen Gemunder new from him - and I asked him if he had anything in that I might want to look at, and he said "Nothing that will give you something you don't already get from your bass' (or something close to that.)
Bless you, Bob Beerman! My wife thanks you, my mother thanks you, my sister thanks you (and I thank James Cagney in Yankee Doodle Dandy for the line).
