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Guitard intentionally butchered 3rd set!!!
- Thread starter mward69
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- Aug 25, 2007
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- I manufacture for several companies including but not limited to: Bridge City Sound, Catalinbread, more.
Yeah he wasn't in the right but neither where you guys.
I'll let friendly bass players come and fill in for a few tunes, but I'd be pissed off if the band gave them one of my favorite tunes, and more pissed off if he was better player than me...and extremely pissed off if it was entire set.
You guys made him look bad in public, he returned the favor, not exactly a paragon action but he was somewhat justified.
Well, we handled it at the gig because we are gigging every weekend and don't really have practice. If we add a new tune or 2, we'll usually learn our part via CD/youtube or whatever, and work the changes in sound check or the guitar player and I will get together off stage and run through the parts....
Anyway, we had our "meeting" about 3 hours before gig time. And we wasn't planning of kicking him out, just adding a better player to the line-up. He would still have about 30-40% of his solo's, and the issue on the BG voc. he understood, Our singer is very big on harmony's and the old player knew he couldn't hit the high's that the new guy could.
I guess in a way I could see him being upset, but we felt if we told him over the phone before the gig, he might have not showed up and we would have been screwed since the new guy didn't know the set...we might have been able to limp through it, but this was a bar we get LOTS of gigs at and didn't want to ruin that gig.
Anyway, we had our "meeting" about 3 hours before gig time. And we wasn't planning of kicking him out, just adding a better player to the line-up. He would still have about 30-40% of his solo's, and the issue on the BG voc. he understood, Our singer is very big on harmony's and the old player knew he couldn't hit the high's that the new guy could.
I guess in a way I could see him being upset, but we felt if we told him over the phone before the gig, he might have not showed up and we would have been screwed since the new guy didn't know the set...we might have been able to limp through it, but this was a bar we get LOTS of gigs at and didn't want to ruin that gig.
Although it was awkward the way you informed him of it AT the gig, the guy pretty much had it coming. Like you said in your original post:
You tried calling him out on his mistakes, and he couldn't take the criticism gracefully. He gave you no option really. He couldn't see how bad he had gotten, and would never admit to his shortcomings. Not a good sign. You tried to be nice and keep him in the band in a reduced capacity, but he got pissy and tried deliberately sabotaging everything. I don't think any ending to the drama would have been a happy one, although you could have saved the band some stress at the show (due to his attempts at musical sabotage) by letting him go beforehand. But hindsight is 20/20, of course it's easy after the fact to see how this specific incident could have been avoided.
You tried calling him out on his mistakes, and he couldn't take the criticism gracefully. He gave you no option really. He couldn't see how bad he had gotten, and would never admit to his shortcomings. Not a good sign. You tried to be nice and keep him in the band in a reduced capacity, but he got pissy and tried deliberately sabotaging everything. I don't think any ending to the drama would have been a happy one, although you could have saved the band some stress at the show (due to his attempts at musical sabotage) by letting him go beforehand. But hindsight is 20/20, of course it's easy after the fact to see how this specific incident could have been avoided.
They are capable of producing the brightest music and the biggest load of drama.
One example: Syd Barrett.
What's the equivalent of the term "guitard" when referring to a bass player?
If you guys don't practice that much together then you shouldn't be surprised. Sure, you can learn a song off a CD, but practicing together is the key to making sure you're all together in your performance.
If you guys don't practice that much together then you shouldn't be surprised. Sure, you can learn a song off a CD, but practicing together is the key to making sure you're all together in your performance.
Most of the git players I know are, but there is something about an instrument that is seen typically out front, as a lead, in the spot-light, that inspires some players to greater thoughts of self-importance.
So basically, you thought that if you told him before the gig, he might have time to plan to screw you guys, but by springing it on him 3 hours before, he couldn't possibly ruin your show?
Hmmm.......... looks like he won that round.....
I don't get why all you guys are ripping on the OP for adding a second guitarist. Lots of bands have two guitarists. And it's not like he took over all soloing either. Only in the 3rd set did he get all the solos. The old guy still got most in the first and second sets, if I read it right.
Adding another guitarist isn't "replacing" the existing guitarist. The Beatles had two guitarists.
Adding another guitarist isn't "replacing" the existing guitarist. The Beatles had two guitarists.
I think it had more to do with when the 2nd guitarist was added (in the middle of a show).
He was with you guys for a year...
And you tell him that you're taking away his vocals and solos during the middle of a gig with his replacement moving into the limelight in front of him?
Can't blame him for being upset. I may have done the same thing.
And you tell him that you're taking away his vocals and solos during the middle of a gig with his replacement moving into the limelight in front of him?
Can't blame him for being upset. I may have done the same thing.
The timing was'nt good for sure but it sucks when you keep telling someone they are screwing up and the ignore or argue with the band about it.
my .02
my .02
