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Double Bass Gut strings research data

Adrian Cho

Adrian Cho

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Sep 17, 2001
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#1
I spent this morning doing a summary of gut string options - Pirastro, Labella and some of the smaller manufacturers. Summary info on the options from the lesser-known guys is below followed by price data:

Damian Dlugolecki, Troutdale, OR
http://www.damianstrings.com/index.shtml

A and E are silver round-wound
Can't make C extension

Dan Larson, Duluth, MN
http://gamutstrings.com/

Dan Larson says that Lyon is a little stiffer than Pistoy and would be better for pizz as it has a quicker response

Copper wound strings are polished a little so they are slightly flat on the outside and the sound is thus a little warmer. Also have silverplate wound which are a little brighter.

Not clear if they can make C extension - 165 cm is the limit on winding length with their machinery

Aquila, Portland, OR (strings made in Italy)
http://www.aquilausa.com/

Curtis Daily says to use high twist G and D for pizz
A and E are silver round-wound
Can't make C extension


Price comparison

Chorda G (Quinn) - $52
Oliv G (Quinn) - $65
Eudoxa G (Quinn) - $71
Labella G (Quinn) - $56
Dlugolecki G - $65
Aquila High Twist G Medium - $57
Gamut Lyon G - $72

Chorda D (Quinn) - $94
Oliv D (Quinn) - $68
Eudoxa D (Quinn) - $80
Labella D (Quinn) - $60
Dlugolecki D - $109
Aquila High Twist D Medium - $72
Gamut Lyon D - $95

Chorda A (Quinn) - $63
Oliv A (Quinn) - $74
Eudoxa A (Quinn) - $89
Labella Plain Gut or Silver Wound A (Quinn) - $71
Dlugolecki A - $112
Aquila Silver Wound A Medium - $106
Gamut Copper or Silver A - $95

Chorda E (Quinn) - $144
Oliv E (Quinn) - $102
Eudoxa E (Quinn) - $95
Labella E (Quinn) - $81
Dlugolecki E - $136
Aquila Silver Wound E Medium - $112
Gamut Copper or Silver E - $120

Oliv E extended (Quinn) - $199
Eudoxa E extended (Quinn) - $189
Labella E extended (Quinn) - $92

Gamut does rewinding for $45
 
#3
Great work indeed Adrian, im currently using G and D plain gut from Lemur and A and E Pirastro Olive... but i would love to give a try to a plain G and D from either Dan Larson or Damian Dlugolecky .... i've heard nothing but good things...
I used to have a old Aquila G , but cant say much about it, it was old and i just hated the sound, even after i sanded it and oiled it like i do when i find old gut strings.

NUNO
 
#4
basscrazy72 said:
Great work indeed Adrian, im currently using G and D plain gut from Lemur and A and E Pirastro Olive... but i would love to give a try to a plain G and D from either Dan Larson or Damian Dlugolecky .... i've heard nothing but good things...
I used to have a old Aquila G , but cant say much about it, it was old and i just hated the sound, even after i sanded it and oiled it like i do when i find old gut strings.

NUNO
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Nuno. I think you may be able to answer a big question for me. I am thinking about changing to an Oliv E. I've only heard of a couple of people that have tried it and I think in both cases they said the pizz was really dead and the pitch was not very discernible. I currently have an Efrano (Lemur) G, an Oliv D and Eudoxa A and E. I am very sure I will change the A to an Oliv (which is what I was using on my previous bass) and I think the E may need to change too but it's an expensive experiment.

I really hate the Efrano G. I was using the Chorda G on my previous bass and it was a lot nicer and less maintenance. I find the Efrano G sounds crappier under the bow and crappy in thumb position pizz.
 
#5
I've been using the Efrano G's for quite a while and i like the strings, however a year ago i sent one back because the quality was not the best, bad tone, dry, however Lemur imediately replaced it.. i would like to try the chorda G , i guess its gonna be my next G. In the past i used a G plain gut string that a luthier gave to me, AND THAT WAS THE STRING, never ever had a plain gut string like that , sweet and mellow tone, great with the arco.
I dont know the brand, the string was in a plastic envelope without any id. Ok, about the Olive E, its a very dark string , and the pizz indeed is a little dead, however i raised the action of my bass and the string started to ring a little better,but is still very dark, i always heard that the Eudoxa E is a little brighter and i would like to try it... What dont you like about the Eudoxa E?
The problem with gut strings, is that is such an expensive experiment, trying a new E means at least $100 , and maybe after you dont like it :rolleyes: . But i cant stay away from gut, thats the sound i have in my head and nothing except gut can give me that sound... try to get an used Olive E , thats what i did.. at least i had an idea about how it sounded... And to think that i have friends that in the 70's just put bags of gut strings in the trash since the sound they liked was the never ending ringin' bass notes :crying: .

NUNO
 
#6
I still don't really understand this long sustain thing. I played a bass at a jam session the other night. It was setup with really low action - my fingers on the right hand kept slipping off the strings - and some super long sustaining string. I found it really annoying. I pizz any of the gut strings I play on and the sustain seems plenty long enough for me, even for long notes on ballads, etc.

I'm not sure my current bass works well with gut on the bottom - at least on the E. I think it needs a little higher tension to drive it. It had Spirocores when I first got it and I put the guts on and they were surprisingly weak. However I got a soundpost adjustment and I'll give it another week. I'm also finding the Eudoxas a little problematic for faster arco work - the lower tension is a little hard to work with and the Olivs would be a bit stiffer.

I may have to go with a Spirocore Weich or something else on the E. Would be a lot cheaper too. I had a Eudoxa C extension string that I just returned to Quinn. It was $180 US for the string. I ended up not using it since I never got round to getting the extension on. I was glad he gave me a full refund for it (and an unused Eudoxa A as well).

The Chorda G is a little thicker than the Efrano and it's coated in something that seems to make it bow better and makes it pretty much maintenance free - no hairs, etc. I've only had that Efrano G on for while (someone sent it to me but it was pretty new when they gave it to me) and the surface is already pretty icky. I never had that problem with the Chorda.

I love the gut too but I have to say that I still don't know about plain gut on the D. I tried the Chorda D for a very short while (I really didn't give it enough time) and I found it quite unplayable because it was so thick.
 
#8
Thanks for the tip Francois. I was hoping someone might have some other alternatives to suggest. I was considering a Dominant E at one time but I've heard that while Dominants are a little gut like in tone, they are much stiffer than gut. The Spiro Weich was the only other thing I had in mind but while it's loud, I figured it might be too bright to mix with the Olivs.
 
#9
Adrian, one thing you might not like about the Weich E is that the diameter is going to be quite a bit smaller than the Olive A(if you get around to putting one on). The Dominants are a nice string...I second Francois idea though. That may end up working really well.
 
#12
The thing is that I'm quite sure this new bass of mine needs a higher tension string at least on E and perhaps the A and perhaps the whole set. I am unwilling to move away from gut on the top but on the E I certainly think I can get away with something else. However of course it's a matter of finding that will match the gut strings in sound, gauge, and approximate feel - not too high tension but not too low either.
 

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