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Double Bass Hand Pain from Digging In

IMHO it's essential that you avoid injury. So please use the necessary restraint to avoid pushing your body over the edge.

My suggestion is consider if your tone is actually bad. If not, then embrace your natural sound and make the most of it. That's not to say you should stop working on tone generation, just don't make a big deal of it. It's not unusual for different bassist to have a different sound.

I assume others can produce the desired sound on you instrument...so the instrument is not the problem. Let's be clear, instrument and setup can be a significant factor. A different instrument or setup may help.

Having the biggest possible instrument is not necessarily the best way to produce a big sound. The last instrument I used professionally was a 7/8 and it required a more aggressive approach. Essentially I had to put significantly more force and energy into the instrument to get a sound out of it. It was actually a fine instrument, but I generally prefer a bass that feels like the sound is waiting to jump out of it, rather than a bass I have to flog.

If the instrument is not a factor, about all you can do is try to perfect your technique so you can produce the desired tone while playing with reasonable efficiency, so you don't tire prematurely or incur injury.

A potential problem is that all of us have a bit different physiology. So this means ideal technique can vary from person to person. Also there is no guarantee that your physiology will allow you to adopt a technique that produces the desired tone...especially if that technique relies on the application of a lot of force.

I don't have what I most would consider a big sound either. If I play hard enough to get a big sound, it wears me out and I suspect I would get a a repetitive use injury if I did it all the time. It wasn't really a problem for me, because I used an amp almost all of the time, so I did not need a big acoustic sound.

Another physiological factor is the thickness and hardness of callouses. For those who develop hard callouses, the sound tends to be bigger and also more clear/articulate.

I don't typically develop thick, hard callouses on my finger tips. On the few occasions where I have, it was not long before I ripped them off...which tends to makes continuing to play rather painful. So brute force techniques are simply not for me. It was far more important for me to remain healthy, so I could do the job reliably.

I used two different plucking techniques. Normally I brace my thumb against the side of the finger board and use index and middle finger. The fingers are straight and generally work together, although there are some instances where the plucking fingers work independently. This approach produces a bigger sound and gives more endurance. But there is an upper limit to how fast I can pluck. Also the max speed decreases if I try to produce the biggest sound possible. You can use a rest stroke or free stroke with this approach...but often the finger(s) passes through the string and then strikes the fingerboard, which adds sort of a percussive quality to the notes.

The second technique uses arched index and middle fingers independently. The thumb is not braced against the finger board as the palm has to be free to move across the finger board as I play across the strings. The technique is used for fast technical passages. It's really hard to produce a sustained big sound with this technique as it relies on finger strength, rather than engaging large muscle groups. IMHO this approach favors more of a free stroke.

In order to balance both techniques, I back off a bit on the straight finger approach. Otherwise I would wind up overplaying while using the arched finger approach.

One last idea. You indicate that you are young. It takes time to develop the necessary strength, endurance, and technique to produce a big sound. Again, we are all different and progress at different rates on different aspects of technique. Perhaps you are ahead of your peers in some ways, and in other ways your peers have develop quicker than you. Be patient. Perfection as a musician tends to be a life-long journey.
 
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There's some great info and suggestions here. Having dealt with and known players who've dealt with issues like this, my advice is to maximize the sound you get from your instrument with comfortable effort and practice this as much as the rest of your technique until it is automatic. Don't go beyond this and stay as relaxed as possible-no judgement beyond that.You need to find that sweet spot where sound and effort meet and stay there. After you can do this consistently you can explore other options of touch and hand placement. IMO placing your thumb on the side of the FB and a few inches from the end is the best place to start because you'll get the most sound for effort.
 
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You have to really get in tune with how the bass is reacting to your attack. Often times, digging in too hard can be too much for the bass to accept and project, along with being physically exhausting. You may then find that lightening up improves your sound...or vice versa depending on your bass/setup/technique.

…and while “lightening up” don’t forget the left hand. There is some delicate, subtle space between the fingertips, the strings and the wood; pressing too hard dampens the sound, open it up (just a little, before the growl comes in) helps with the projection (=volume).
 
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Use the big muscles in your torso and back, not the small ones in your arm.
I am not a teacher, but have worked thru injuries aided by fixing my technique with help of with good teachers so maybe this will help. From your description are you squeezing your thumb (presuming it’s set on the f’board) and forefinger together to “pop” the string? You could get a nice attack but that would be using the small muscles as quoted above. As K Hailey wrote, try using your big muscles to “pull” your arm back with no squeeze. And BassFAlcon’s advice on weight and gravity. Together they are the key. You also use your big muscles and weight/gravity to bow cellos and basses or else you’ll eventually get wrist and forearm injuries.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys! I did switch to weichs and I like the tone I get a lot better, and it’s much easier on my hands. I’ve been working on trying to use more of my upper muscles to play, as many of you suggested, and although that has helped a lot, I still have some issues with my wrist hurting, although I was able to play loud for much longer before that happened. However, I feel with time I can fix that issue, and I will continue to work on my technique and build up my muscles slowly, and see where that gets me.
 
…and while “lightening up” don’t forget the left hand. There is some delicate, subtle space between the fingertips, the strings and the wood; pressing too hard dampens the sound, open it up (just a little, before the growl comes in) helps with the projection (=volume).
There is an old Gary Peacock video lesson that has an exercise that has the player using just enough left hand to give the string the necessary weight but no more. It demonstrates how little it actually takes to get a good,clear sound and more is just wasted effort.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys! I did switch to weichs and I like the tone I get a lot better, and it’s much easier on my hands. I’ve been working on trying to use more of my upper muscles to play, as many of you suggested, and although that has helped a lot, I still have some issues with my wrist hurting, although I was able to play loud for much longer before that happened. However, I feel with time I can fix that issue, and I will continue to work on my technique and build up my muscles slowly, and see where that gets me.
It concerns me that you're still talking about "playing loud". Don't use any more effort than you can with no pain or discomfort at all. Work on getting to the point where you're getting the most you can while being totally relaxed and using good technique. Listen to how the instrument responds and don't push beyond there for now. Give it some time. Incorporate the left hand with the same objectives but keep it relaxed and don't stress about volume.