Hardcore Breakdowns... Fingerstyle?

[rreynoldsbass]

I understand where you're coming from. I jumped into a band with breakdowns galore, and in the end, the best you can do is practice practice. Sit down with a metronome and play what you want to play. Develop whatever technique you choose (I ran with 2 for the longest time before stepping up to 3).

Breakdowns hit hard and fast, but above all good ones are TIGHT like a 5 year old's t-shirt. The whole point is to put out aggressive bunches of 16th notes. Try not to make it more complicated than it is like I did.

 

[johnboy65]

I've used to do IMRMI it was easier for me to use the middle as an accent. I feel it helps with time keeping.
Now I use a pick more for the fast stuff.

 

[Blade3dge]

I've always viewed ADTR as post-hardcore/pop-punk. Sort of a mix of Enter Shikari (minus the techno aspect) and Blink 182?

And you sir would be completely correct.

I never specified which genre ADTR was I just specified the style of music my question related to. I have no problems with playing pop-punk (and nobody every should) so why would I ask about that? I needed help with playing hardcore breakdowns, hence the thread title. The techniques I needed help with are more relevant to hardcore...-ers.

Anyway, I know using a pick is a smart move, trust me I'm not avoiding it out of pride. I'm working on my pick technique as we speak but I like to use a lot of techniques such as slapping/tapping which dont use a pick so three fingers can be worked into my current style easier rather than rushing to grab a pick mid-song.

 

[Blade3dge]

I've always viewed ADTR as post-hardcore/pop-punk. Sort of a mix of Enter Shikari (minus the techno aspect) and Blink 182?

Anywho, that breakdown is perfectly achievable using the standard two-fingers. Of course if you want to learn three-finger, go for it

Also, wow two fingers at that speed? Any tips

 

[Hollywars]

Also, wow two fingers at that speed? Any tips

Playing a lot.

 

[drunkenrobot]

Also, wow two fingers at that speed? Any tips

Use your ring and little finger to mute the E and A strings when playing up high. Holding them in place while practicing will teach your index and middle fingers to work more independently and, with practice, you'll have more speed with more control over your lower strings. This also frees up the left hand from muting-duty.

When you strike a string, don't hook your fingers underneath them, hit them on the top (towards the fingerboard). This can cause more fret noise but you will be able to move your fingers faster. Sorry about my poor explanation.

Practice scales using those two techniques and slowly speed it up.

 

[mocking4string]

i just joined this forum to day and i am real glad to see that there are some of u who know what hardcore is.

ps
adtr isnt hardcore
despite wat there myspace says

 

[Burlington]

i just joined this forum to day and i am real glad to see that there are some of u who know what hardcore is.

ps
adtr isnt hardcore
despite wat there myspace says

lol.

 

[Fergie Fulton]

Here's a link to some useful info.

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[PunkRocker33133]

Honestly, I'd just use a pick, my band plays that same song and its sorta hard to get the tight attack with your fingers.

 

[BDL1991]

Personally I find it easier to play faster with two fingers than three, mainly due to not strengthening my ring finger, but I just flick my index back for triplets so it goes MIIMIIMIIMII

 

[Din Of Win]

Personally I find it easier to play faster with two fingers than three, mainly due to not strengthening my ring finger, but I just flick my index back for triplets so it goes MIIMIIMIIMII

I agree!

I play all sorts of heavier styles, from crust to black metal to hardcore. From D-Beat to Blast Beat. No matter how fast the tremolo parts get, i'm leaps and bounds faster with 2 fingers than 3. I also flick my index finger as you described... glad to see i'm not the only one!!

 

[agreatheight]

Anywho, that breakdown is perfectly achievable using the standard two-fingers. Of course if you want to learn three-finger, go for it

+1

 

[mcapote]

I never got the hang of picks myself, I always play 2 finger unless im trying like steve harris type stuff playing around then I need 3 for the gallop sound.

 

[Chris K]

Im probably going to keep the 3 finger technique almost entirely for breakdowns so with this in mind should I try RMIRMIRM or RMIMRMIM?

Any other interesting techniques?

IMRIMRIMR also is a strong option.

Nothing wrong with RMRMRM or MRMRMR either.

Then we have the double thumb (maybe no option since you broke it):



Just do what feels natural to you.

 

[Hutzbordello]

id say w.e your hands do naturally


RMIIMRRMIIMRR contd

Idk its a little off shoot of what sheehan does apparently


or do it cliff style and use your pinky lol thats nuts

 

[Absentia]

RELAX!!!!!!!!
the more you relax the faster you will be able to play.
Playing on my desk I would use three fingers.

As for what finger to use when in what order... eh, feel it out, which ever one is closest to the string lol.

 

[JoeVictim]

I wouldn't say pissed. But it confuses genres!

It's similar to suggesting Iron Maiden are classic rock.
Like people confusing funk and jazz etc.

It should just do what it says on the tin.

I hear hardcore, I expect hardcore punk or some dance beats!

+1 Truth

I remeber when people first started playing that stuff. Names associated with it were Screamo, Metal, Metalcore, and Hardcore. Unfortunately, Hardcore was a phrase initiated by punks that wanted to differentiate themselves from the artsy punk of bands like New York Dolls, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, and others from that time period. Hardcore was the start of the second wave of punk bands that played faster and harder than the bands that came before them. Only Screamo and Metalcore have ripped off the name. Every genre to stem from punk has assumed a different identity. Hardcore, Youth Crew, Thrash, D-Beat, Grind, they all have a foundation in hardcore music but they don't blatantly rip off the name and use it for their own genre. So next time you hear someone say they are going to hardcore show and mention bands like A Tear For The Death or Lovely Murder Tuesday Afternoon (highly dramaticized to make the point), please remind them that these bands have nothing to do with hardcore. They are actually metal bands. And then you can lay this on them, "Oh, you're going to the screamo show."

As for the OP, just make sure to keep practicing. Whatever genre of music you play, you will only achieve by putting in the time. I also agree that you should try to play every way you can be it with or without a pick because it does add to your arsenal. Hope the thumb gets better. RMIRMI for the galloping.