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hardcore style

im assuming by catholic hardcore you mean metalcore. Ive neglected joining this big fad in my city, because the bass Eq on the guitars are insane, and usually theres two guitarists that will be put way louder then you. Generally the typical style is follow the bass drum religously while using the roots of the guitarists. If its the style i think it is, as i lay dying type thing. Your gonna get buried in the mix if you do crazy fills or somthing/ band might complain your taking away from the low end. Luckly some metalcore has melodic parts, and this if you have em, theres ur time to shine with arpegios tapping ect. ect.
 
im assuming by catholic hardcore you mean metalcore. Ive neglected joining this big fad in my city, because the bass Eq on the guitars are insane, and usually theres two guitarists that will be put way louder then you. Generally the typical style is follow the bass drum religously while using the roots of the guitarists. If its the style i think it is, as i lay dying type thing. Your gonna get buried in the mix if you do crazy fills or somthing/ band might complain your taking away from the low end. Luckly some metalcore has melodic parts, and this if you have em, theres ur time to shine with arpegios tapping ect. ect.
I've found bass is a lot more prominent in metalcore than it has been in other metal and rock genres actually.
and most of the bands don't even play straight root notes at all, it much more melodic.
check out protest the hero, between the buried and me, job for a cowboy, august burns red.
 
I've found bass is a lot more prominent in metalcore than it has been in other metal and rock genres actually.
and most of the bands don't even play straight root notes at all, it much more melodic.
check out protest the hero, between the buried and me, job for a cowboy, august burns red.

+1!

I just discovered Protest The Hero's "Kezia," great album!

BTBAM is ridiculous. I love all their previous albums, but Colors is just an amazing piece of work.

I also would suggest checking out Botch, as well as Thursday for interesting use of bass in a hardcore-esque setting.
 
I don't see why it's an oxymoron now, though I used to think like you do. Hardcore was originally about "I'm so mad and frustrated at the world, f the system!" But really, you can be a Christian and frustrated at the world and the "system" just like any other non-Christian. A lot of hardcore lyrics nowadays are about gibberish and gobbledygook. It's the sound and style of it that's the focus, not necessarily the lyrical content.

When many people think Christian they think "Oh no! I better get away because they're going to pray now!" or something like that. Maybe they just like to sing about loving your neighbor and frustrations with current events and how it applies to them? Many of these bands get pegged as "Christian bands" just because the members are Christian, not because they have any overt Christian themes.
 
The first time I was on stage was because I was the singer in a hardcore band: DRI, Agnostic Front , SOD, Has the hardcore also evolutioned into all kind of different genres ( even they sound the same) Heavy, speed, thrash, black death, bloody, gotic, ultra, bla bla bla??
 
We probably need a little more info. Do they play in time signatures other than 4/4? What bands are they influenced by? A lot of the early hardcore bassists (think Black Flag, Minor Threat, etc.) had very similar styles, but a lot of the current ones are very different from each other and do lots of different things, especially stuff in the "progressive" or "math" varieties (think Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge, etc.). Also "hardcore" and "metal" bands tread a very thin line nowadays, so it's not surprising to see a metal band get called hardcore and vice versa. In fact, many people just use the lazy term "metalcore." Someone once wrote in Maximum Rock and Roll or Punk Planet that most hardcore nowadays that gets reviewed is just one minute metal songs. :smug:

I really dig Converge, but I guess that a christian hardcore band doesn't like them too much :hiding:
 
I'm pretty sure Between the Buried and Me is Metalcore. There is a big difference between metalcore and hardcore.

Metalcore is usually a lot more focused in terms of song structure,technique and melody. Taken A7x, Zao, The Agony Scene and try comparing that to Pulling Teeth, Ceromony or Gride. The sound is completely different. And actually the bass in hardcore punk (or punk in general) is mostly played with a pick.

Hardcore punk is supposed purely focused on aggression while (trying) not adhering to any real structure or melody. Due to this, its not unheard of a hardcore band having songs barely hitting the 2 minute mark. Some even less than one minute. You really have to understand the aesthetics of the punk genre to know what I am talking about. Its the same thing with grindcore.

With that said, as I previously observed, bass in hardcore is usually played with a pick. And is typical to most punk in general. It can be done with fingers just fine though...

Example: trying basing your riffs around minor and diminished chord intervals. Try jamming with some bands from the interwebz and you should be able to pick up their 'secret'.
 
The first time I was on stage was because I was the singer in a hardcore band: DRI, Agnostic Front , SOD, Has the hardcore also evolutioned into all kind of different genres ( even they sound the same) Heavy, speed, thrash, black death, bloody, gotic, ultra, bla bla bla??

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but are you asking if hardcore punk evolved into subgenres in metal?

No, it hasn't (and no, the mentioned genres do not sound the same). While many earlier death, black, and thrash metal bands were heavily influenced by punk, they were mainly driven by bands like iron maiden, black sabbath, judas priest etc. Again, they had heavy punk influences but were ultimately inspired by genuine metal bands (which were influenced by rock etc.).
 
I just joined a christian hardcore band and have never played music like this before much less even listened to it. however, i like it but i am so used to coming up with and playing rock or funk that i dont know how to construct a hardcore bass line. so far i have been just following the rhythm guitar with roots but i would like to broaden my range of playing options. what are some hardcore songs with good bass lines for me to learn from?

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I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but are you asking if hardcore punk evolved into subgenres in metal?

No, it hasn't (and no, the mentioned genres do not sound the same). While many earlier death, black, and thrash metal bands were heavily influenced by punk, they were mainly driven by bands like iron maiden, black sabbath, judas priest etc. Again, they had heavy punk influences but were ultimately inspired by genuine metal bands (which were influenced by rock etc.).

He's asking whether hardcore currently has several subgenres like how metal has several subgenres. And the answer is yes, even though hardcore itself was/is a subgenre of punk.
 

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