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Hartke HyDrive HD112 and TX600 test

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Which one you think is more loud with proper amp: 2 1x12 HD or 2 2x10 HD vertical stack? I have Hydrive 810 and like the sound but need smaller package if world ever opens again for gigs. 2x10 may be closer to my existing sound but I need as loud as possible package so sound can be altered a bit.

P.S. I was thinking Hartke LX8500 amp to drive those cabs. No experiense of it but DG B7K will make the sound for me there anyway.
 
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paskisti said:
Which one you think is more loud with proper amp: 2 1x12 HD or 2 2x10 HD vertical stack? I have Hydrive 810 and like the sound but need smaller package if world ever opens again for gigs. 2x10 may be closer to my existing sound but I need as loud as possible package so sound can be altered a bit.

P.S. I was thinking Hartke LX8500 amp to drive those cabs. No experiense of it but DG B7K will make the sound for me there anyway.
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Good question, well even if on specs the 2x10 are already powerful than the 1x12, it's also true that the performance of these cabs in terms of sound are different. The 2x10 are definitely punchier than 1x12, the last one has more deep fat tone.
In terms of power and definition I will definitely go for the 10" speakers, but keep in mind that at this point there wouldn't be a big difference in terms of handling and portability compared to 410.
The LX8500 is an extreme powerful and portable amp, but you can't use with two 1x12 cabs, too much powerful. With two 210 will be fine.
Keep me updated on what you will pick ;)
 
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enricogaletta said:
Good question, well even if on specs the 2x10 are already powerful than the 1x12, it's also true that the performance of these cabs in terms of sound are different. The 2x10 are definitely punchier than 1x12, the last one has more deep fat tone.
In terms of power and definition I will definitely go for the 10" speakers, but keep in mind that at this point there wouldn't be a big difference in terms of handling and portability compared to 410.
The LX8500 is an extreme powerful and portable amp, but you can't use with two 1x12 cabs, too much powerful. With two 210 will be fine.
Keep me updated on what you will pick ;)
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Thank you for that. I didn't notice that 112 is actually smaller than 2x10. As my main cab is 810 the size is definitely not an issue, even 2x 410 are easier to lift into car so 2x 210 are definitely easy. Our loud band and 2 high gain guitarists set our volume level high. I have some experience of Warwick 411PRO (4x10 ported cab) that was standing good enough with them so maybe 2x 210 vertical closed cab stack is enough too for onstage monitoring. I don't like wedges for bass, they sound anemic.
 
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paskisti said:
Thank you for that. I didn't notice that 112 is actually smaller than 2x10. As my main cab is 810 the size is definitely not an issue, even 2x 410 are easier to lift into car so 2x 210 are definitely easy. Our loud band and 2 high gain guitarists set our volume level high. I have some experience of Warwick 411PRO (4x10 ported cab) that was standing good enough with them so maybe 2x 210 vertical closed cab stack is enough too for onstage monitoring. I don't like wedges for bass, they sound anemic.
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Oh my bad :D, I thought you main cab was a 410, so huge difference between a 810 and two 210 :thumbsup:.
With two loud guitarists, probably I will go without doubt on those cabs.
Currently my big rig is the HD410 that depending on scenario I pair with a LH1000 or the new LX8500, even if the first is my main favorite and versatile Hartke head.
For small gigs (but also medium stages) I have two HD112 (sometime just one), and usually I use with the TX600 for portability, but those works great with the LH1000 too.
 
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Will a pair of 210 sound different than one 410 due to the construction of chambers? I don't like 210's usually because the size quickly gets you to the sound of an exploding box with high volumes...
 
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paskisti said:
Which one you think is more loud with proper amp: 2 1x12 HD or 2 2x10 HD vertical stack? I have Hydrive 810 and like the sound but need smaller package if world ever opens again for gigs. 2x10 may be closer to my existing sound but I need as loud as possible package so sound can be altered a bit.

P.S. I was thinking Hartke LX8500 amp to drive those cabs. No experiense of it but DG B7K will make the sound for me there anyway.
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From my experience the 2 112 speakers would be louder. They have a much bigger midrange bump and are ported. They are less constricted sounding than the 210 cabinets.
The 12s roar a bit more than the 210s.
 
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#93
I just picked up a Tx600 from a buddy and I’m digging the sound.

Punchy amp for sure.

I run it through one HD210 and when the drummer comes over an Hx410.

Love the sound I’m getting.

Can you explain the “tone Stack” in detail.

Not sure what that means.

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#94
Glad to hear the volume issues reported are just a lack of understanding the tone stack. I've been planning on buying one for those days when a Fender 800 Pro is just too much and a KB12 is not quite enough.
 
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Clark Westfield said:
I just picked up a Tx600 from a buddy and I’m digging the sound.

Punchy amp for sure.

I run it through one HD210 and when the drummer comes over an Hx410.

Love the sound I’m getting.

Can you explain the “tone Stack” in detail.

Not sure what that means.

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The manual section on Equalization might help.
 

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BillyB_from_LZ said:
The manual section on Equalization might help.
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I get that there is no flat at 12:00, and the bass feeds the mids then treble, almost like a pedal board right?

But how does this “stack” change my approach on how I set up the EQ?

Im just using my ear right now, so a little knowledge on this would make me get more out of the amplifier.
 
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Clark Westfield said:
I get that there is no flat at 12:00, and the bass feeds the mids then treble, almost like a pedal board right?

But how does this “stack” change my approach on how I set up the EQ?

Im just using my ear right now, so a little knowledge on this would make me get more out of the amplifier.
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It doesn't - because you still have to use your ears. Honestly, though, you have to just start turning knobs and seeing what they do. The only difference is that the knob positions may look different from something like a GK or a Magellan amp. Those knobs are there to be used, though, so just use your ears and then mark down the settings you like. What those knobs do to a signal being metered on a scope is pretty much irrelevant.

As long as you're not one of those Flat-EQ believers, you'll be ok.
 
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Clark Westfield said:
I just picked up a Tx600 from a buddy and I’m digging the sound.

Punchy amp for sure.

I run it through one HD210 and when the drummer comes over an Hx410.

Love the sound I’m getting.

Can you explain the “tone Stack” in detail.

Not sure what that means.

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Hey Clark
sorry for my late answer, well cut-boost and tone stack are two different preamps style and there is a difference how they work, let me explain.

A cut-boost preamp as other fellas previously wrote is basically when you have the eq controls with 0 at 12 o'clock position, -"value" (usually 6-10-15) at 7 o'clock and +"value" at 4 o'clock.
With this preamp when you have the famous "all 12" set, you usually have a neutral tone from the head preamp
A tone stack preamp is usually a control boost only, this mean that 7 o'clock is the 0 positions to get neutral effection from the head eq.

Now the main difference between these preamp is that, on cut-boost there is more connections between frequency than tone stack. Basically, it means when you set for example the bass at +2 and then you decide to boost the mid at +2, the mid control will effect also on the bass eq that you just set, and you will get more bass. If you choose to cut the mid, it will cut a bit of the bass frequency too, as same treble control etc. In the tone stack circuits, especially bass system, the frequencies chosen from the brand, is not related with the others. If you start to boost the bass and after you found your your favorite set, you work on mid, that boosting won't affect your bass frequency. They are independent from each other. This means that "all 12" on hartke amps IS NOT A FLAT tone, but a curve shape from the house.
Onboard preamps on basses are mostly cut-boost, Sadowsky two eq, is a pure independent tone stack preamp. If you have two amps one with tone stack and one with cut boost, try to listen them using their out and headphones, you will quickly find out the difference.
The best way to find you favorite eq set is always using your hears but, is the starting point the difference, on cut boost you can start from "all 12" on tone stack is from 0 minimum value you have.
Just to give you an example, on my Hartke LH1000 I have my bass at 3.5 mid 3,5 treble 1 and bright filter on.

I hope I was clear enough but, if you have more questions just let me know.
Ciao. Enrico
 
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enricogaletta said:
Hey Clark
sorry for my late answer, well cut-boost and tone stack are two different preamps style and there is a difference how they work, let me explain.

A cut-boost preamp as other fellas previously wrote is basically when you have the eq controls with 0 at 12 o'clock position, -"value" (usually 6-10-15) at 7 o'clock and +"value" at 4 o'clock.
With this preamp when you have the famous "all 12" set, you usually have a neutral tone from the head preamp
A tone stack preamp is usually a control boost only, this mean that 7 o'clock is the 0 positions to get neutral effection from the head eq.

Now the main difference between these preamp is that, on cut-boost there is more connections between frequency than tone stack. Basically, it means when you set for example the bass at +2 and then you decide to boost the mid at +2, the mid control will effect also on the bass eq that you just set, and you will get more bass. If you choose to cut the mid, it will cut a bit of the bass frequency too, as same treble control etc. In the tone stack circuits, especially bass system, the frequencies chosen from the brand, is not related with the others. If you start to boost the bass and after you found your your favorite set, you work on mid, that boosting won't affect your bass frequency. They are independent from each other. This means that "all 12" on hartke amps IS NOT A FLAT tone, but a curve shape from the house.
Onboard preamps on basses are mostly cut-boost, Sadowsky two eq, is a pure independent tone stack preamp. If you have two amps one with tone stack and one with cut boost, try to listen them using their out and headphones, you will quickly find out the difference.
The best way to find you favorite eq set is always using your hears but, is the starting point the difference, on cut boost you can start from "all 12" on tone stack is from 0 minimum value you have.
Just to give you an example, on my Hartke LH1000 I have my bass at 3.5 mid 3,5 treble 1 and bright filter on.

I hope I was clear enough but, if you have more questions just let me know.
Ciao. Enrico
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Thanks so much man.

clarified everything that was confusing in my head.
 
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Found an old post of mine from 2018 while searching the TX. I had totally forgotten I'd demoed one when I bought my MiniMax. From my post it seemed the TX600 thru an HD115 was hella loud. I have a TBI and had just forgotten about it, I guess. :laugh:

So, four years ago I wrote ...

"Dunno how the sales dude had it set ... but I played an SR700 thru a TX600 with a Hartke 115 that I assume was 8 ohms at a local store and he was cranking each of the amps I tested to demonstrate volume. And the TX had every drum in the store rattling ... the windows rattling ... people running for cover. It was hella loud. Bone shaking loud. And had a pretty sweet tone to boot. Stayed very clear."

If I can't get my Fender lead sled straightened out I think Imma try a TX600.
 
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