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Has anybody here lied and passed a polygraph?

#121
two fingers said:
It's a shame. Some of the best humans and employees I know experimented with drugs in the past.
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I've known some great human beings in that vein also. But I think the idea here is to select for conformists and by-the-book types hoping that the candidate also happens to have morals.

I think it is one of the most basic human rights to ingest/inject/shove/inhale some part of the environment (ethically obtained) into one's body without any interference from others.
 
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#122
if you lie on the polygraph test and then in the course of the background check the investigator talk sto someone you know who, thinking he's saying good things about you, says "it's amazing how he's turned his life around - no drugs since 2003", you're pretty much screwed.
 
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I would try to make the test results look as unreliable as possible. Take caffeine pills or perhaps those drugs you mentioned and go for an indecipherable test. That's what I would do (including the drugs). Or if you're on medication stop taking it if the withdrawal symptoms would mess with the test (if I stopped taking pain meds blood pressure, heart rate and perspiration would be all wacky).

Or maybe drink a ton of water and take the test having to piss really really bad. That'll for sure mess with your ability to be truthful. Or if you can go super Zen that's another way.

But I prefer to lie straight up. If you take the test and fail and someone gives you crap then lie to them. You know those tests are not 100% reliable so you are fine to question them. If they really cared about drugs they'd test you man. Urine is way easy. A polygraph takes more. That's the logic I apply. (Also, I've failed drug tests and told them it was BS and to send it to the lab, which costs money, and they didn't call my bluff and I was fine, so if worst comes to worst there you go.)
 
#128
TOOL460002 said:
If it guaranteed a no hire or firing situation? I'm guessing he isn't shooting meth or he wouldn't be that employable. Any drug use is for sure worth lying over. Come on!
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This is not going to come across good, but I am smart good-looking and charismatic. I can do well in many job situations and I do great in interpersonal communication. I just don't want this to hurt me where I feel like I deserve this job and that I can do really well at it and Excel at it. It's what I went to college for and it's what I never actually went for until I went down the addiction path. I want to go for it now and I really feel that I'd be fulfilled if I got the job and I'd really enjoy it. For what it's worth.
 
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FingerDub said:
This is not going to come across good, but I am smart good-looking and charismatic. I can do well in many job situations and I do great in interpersonal communication. I just don't want this to hurt me where I feel like I deserve this job and that I can do really well at it and Excel at it. It's what I went to college for and it's what I never actually went for until I went down the addiction path. I want to go for it now and I really feel that I'd be fulfilled if I got the job and I'd really enjoy it. For what it's worth.
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Dude that comes across fine. Seriously. Just massively eff up the test as best you can. Make it look like garbage.
 
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I mean I assume the drug is weed (haven't read the whole thread). So for real just chug coffee or do some weird shizz that'd mess the parameters up. Also, I can't tell you off the top of my head what that machine records. I would look that up and devise a plan how best to mess those fields up. Thoroughly. Like the crazier the better!
 
#131
I don't know when you last consumed a substance, but depending on the clearance level, chances are the investigation will only go back seven years on things like drug use.

It may be different for different agencies. I acquired a secret clearance and my interview with the investigator was really about clarifying dates on the security paperwork I had previously filled out (e.g., I lived in state A until July 31 and moved to state B on August 1, so where was I in the later part of July 31 and early part of August 1?). My investigator was a nice guy and felt bad about how detailed he had to be with things like that; they really started tightening things up after the Snowden leaks.
 
#134
That'd spare him uncomfortable situations right from the start if they would really do extensive background checks and find out afterwards. So, better not getting the job because of not meeting requirements (as stupid a situation that is) than having to deal with unnecessary consequences because of lies. I'm not preaching "morals" here, but trying to take a reasonable/wise approach here.
 
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TOOL460002 said:
And youd be fired. Cool?
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For me personally, I'd pass the test and pass the interview. If I had issues in my past I'd still tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. There's a reason certain employers want to screen their candidates well. I'm for it.
 
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DavetheDude said:
That'd spare him uncomfortable situations right from the start if they would really do extensive background checks and find out afterwards. So, better not getting the job because of not meeting requirements (as stupid a situation that is) than having to deal with unnecessary consequences because of lies. I'm not preaching "morals" here, but trying to take a reasonable/wise approach here.
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Requirements for a job are stupid? Next time you need surgery, let Marcus Welby, GED do it.
 
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TOOL460002 said:
I would try to make the test results look as unreliable as possible. Take caffeine pills or perhaps those drugs you mentioned and go for an indecipherable test. That's what I would do (including the drugs). Or if you're on medication stop taking it if the withdrawal symptoms would mess with the test (if I stopped taking pain meds blood pressure, heart rate and perspiration would be all wacky).

Or maybe drink a ton of water and take the test having to piss really really bad. That'll for sure mess with your ability to be truthful. Or if you can go super Zen that's another way.

But I prefer to lie straight up. If you take the test and fail and someone gives you crap then lie to them. You know those tests are not 100% reliable so you are fine to question them. If they really cared about drugs they'd test you man. Urine is way easy. A polygraph takes more. That's the logic I apply. (Also, I've failed drug tests and told them it was BS and to send it to the lab, which costs money, and they didn't call my bluff and I was fine, so if worst comes to worst there you go.)
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TOOL460002 said:
If it guaranteed a no hire or firing situation? I'm guessing he isn't shooting meth or he wouldn't be that employable. Any drug use is for sure worth lying over. Come on!
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TOOL460002 said:
Dude that comes across fine. Seriously. Just massively eff up the test as best you can. Make it look like garbage.
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TOOL460002 said:
I mean I assume the drug is weed (haven't read the whole thread). So for real just chug coffee or do some weird shizz that'd mess the parameters up. Also, I can't tell you off the top of my head what that machine records. I would look that up and devise a plan how best to mess those fields up. Thoroughly. Like the crazier the better!
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You keep saying this. We get it. Do you think that maybe...just maybe, polygraph administrators are trained to detect these sorts of things, and that an attempt to fool the test would be a reason to fail that test?
 

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