Has Gretsch been lying to us for over a decade?

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  1. LowEndLobster

    LowEndLobster Bass reviewer and youtube girl Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    Northern MA
    Hey everyone! I hope you are all doing well. I've recently purchased a Gretsch G2220 to review. I've heard nothing but great things about these little basses (aside from the tuners) and wanted to check one out and put it through its paces.

    I plugged it in for the first time the other day and to my surprise, it was rather noisy. I thought that was rather odd.... the pickups are advertised "Gretsch mini dual-coil bass humbucking pickups". I open up the control cavity and only see a single pair of wires for each pickup. Fine, they could be wired in series or something internally. I did some digging on some threads here and found a post showing the internals of the pickup (opened up)... and they're single coil!

    The Official Short Scale Bass Club -- Part 4
    Gretsch G2220: noisy pickups

    Now I have not opened up my pickups, and I don't want to considering I am not modding this instrument. Instead, I purchased some cheap magnetic viewing paper to get a better idea of what's inside the pickup. As many of you know, I have quite a few basses at my disposal with a variety of different pickups. I checked out various instruments with closed cased pickups to confirm. MTD- reverse split P confirmed, Aguilar DCB- dual coil confirmed, Dingwall- reverse split P confirmed, DiMarzio Area J's- split J confirmed.

    Gretsch Junior Jet G2220..... Single coil

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    Has Gretsch been lying to consumers for over a decade? Does anyone have one of these models with actual humbuckers?
     
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  2. creaturegods

    creaturegods

    Sep 23, 2017
    Interesting! You may have just blown this whole case wide open.

    Also, I've never heard of magnetic viewing paper before. It looks pretty dang cool!
     
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  3. Sid the Kid

    Sid the Kid Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2013
    Illinois
    Could be a sidewinder style humbucker. It doesn’t look to be a single coil from the dissected pickup to me.
     
  4. LowEndLobster

    LowEndLobster Bass reviewer and youtube girl Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    Northern MA
    You'd see two distinct coils in a sidewinder, like this:
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    instead of this:

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    You can see that there is only a single wrapping of wire (single coil) going around the two magnets that are stuck together. No pole pieces either, just the two ceramic bar magnets and a single thick wrapping of wire. I leant out my Gibson with the Serek Lazen-B90 sidewinding humbucker, so I can't get a pic w/ the magnetic viewing paper currently.

    I'm really curious to see if it's all G2220 models, or if they pulled a switcheroo at some point mid production.
     
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  5. B-Mac

    B-Mac Happiness is a Warm Puppy and a Great Bass Supporting Member

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    Probably be a good idea to let everyone know where they can get magnetic viewing paper quickly and cheaply in order to help you solve this mystery.

    Many at the Gretsch club and SS Club have these or earlier versions of them.
     
  6. LowEndLobster

    LowEndLobster Bass reviewer and youtube girl Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    Northern MA
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  7. sleddogn

    sleddogn

    Sep 8, 2013
    Done
    wow, i too have never seen this paper, very cool, good luck with finding out this mystery
     
  8. nostatic

    nostatic Supporting Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    central coast
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  9. LBS-bass

    LBS-bass Guest

    Nov 22, 2017
    I predict a run on magnetic viewing paper.
     
  10. LowEndLobster

    LowEndLobster Bass reviewer and youtube girl Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    Northern MA
    I was even more shocked that they pulled it together so quickly.
     
  11. sleddogn

    sleddogn

    Sep 8, 2013
    Done
    that first song really stuck with me, can't shake it
     
  12. mrperkolator

    mrperkolator

    Jan 4, 2020
    2 magnets makes it humbucking right? LMAO.....

    they still sound good fairly decent. to make the pain bigger, they're odd sized, so they are hard to replace.

    I did not know about the paper. I'll have to buy some just for the science experiment. Will post my 2020 gretsch with paper...

    Edit: the older 1 pickup Jr. Jets were known to have better pickups. I'd bet those were different. not as common though.
     
  13. LowEndLobster

    LowEndLobster Bass reviewer and youtube girl Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    Northern MA
    Thank you! You can reuse the paper as well. I'm wondering if that was their 'humbucker logic' - "Hey, there's two magnets! Who cares if they're stuck together and acting as one magnet with a single coil wrapped around em. It's basically a humbucker" hahaha. I'm very curious to see the results here. I already filmed my review (quite scathing due to this discovery, I take corporate misinformation very seriously), but I want to get a good sample size of results from other peoples G2220s.
     
  14. LBS-bass

    LBS-bass Guest

    Nov 22, 2017
    Yes, I found this out the hard way when I had some fleeting thoughts about pulling the frets and changing the electronics. Um, not going to happen. They do sound pretty good as is, plenty of output, and mine isn't noisy, so it's a bit of a mystery.
     
  15. Snert

    Snert

    Oct 3, 2021
    Are they sidewinders like the old Gibson mudbuckers, Q-Tuners or Nord Zenblades? If so then they should only show a single narrow magnetic aperture but are actually humbuckers.
     
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  16. Snert

    Snert

    Oct 3, 2021
    No, 2 coils.
     
  17. mrperkolator

    mrperkolator

    Jan 4, 2020
    @LowEndLobster If you close your eyes and play it, it is better. It is annoying the.... misinformation on the pickups.

    @Snert I was joking about the 2 magnets. I know. It needs 2 coils even for sidewinders.
     
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  18. WG Plum

    WG Plum

    Apr 9, 2021
    Seattle
    Well, I guess I'll find out soon enough, just ordered a Jr Jet from Sweetwater.
     
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  19. LowEndLobster

    LowEndLobster Bass reviewer and youtube girl Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    Northern MA
    Based on the pics provided by another user of the pickup opened (I may end up doing the same), these appear to be true single coils with a TON of winding.
     
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  20. mrperkolator

    mrperkolator

    Jan 4, 2020
    All things considered, you won't be unimpressed. I like mine. I'll like it more after shielding when I get to it. This bass does punches above it's price point. It's just not humbuckers.

    Also, TV Jones makes some that are close, requires a bit of sanding to pickup ring. That should help yours too @LowEndLobster. Maybe even get a second video in. Perhaps TV Jones may want to help....
     
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