Why? They've done the wrong thing and should fix it. I'm sorry the US has such rubbish consumer protection laws that some of you are willing to just bend over and accept a blatant lie about a specification.
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Has Gretsch been lying to us for over a decade?
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But, to bring a class action lawsuit, first an attorney who will take the case must be found, then a definable number of plaintiffs must be assembled, and supposing Fender wins the suit? Who is on the hook for court costs and attorney's fees? And all this over a pickup. I do not like the risks/rewards picture. Seems to me that the chorus of "The Gambler" is applicable here.
That is certainly the easier route, but giving up and letting people get away with things because they are more powerful than you are is always the easy route.
If we act together though, say through a class action suit, we can make sure that the powerful are held accountable and prevent them from getting away with it.
Besides that, why should we have to shoulder the cost of getting the bass to the condition it was advertised to be in?
Where does that logic end up at? Just simply accepting lower and lower quality and standards, because oh well?
I've read this and the thread over on the Gretsch site. Do I think that Gretsch/Fender should be drawn and quartered? No, but I do think that they owe their customers an explanation. Regardless of price point, they put out literature regarding these instruments and who is to say that reading that info didn't contribute to the success of the product line? That to me is where the line gets drawn.
$300 to some is an entire summer of cutting lawns and to others, a trip to the grocery store. At the end of the day, it's still $300 that someone paid with the likelihood of a certain expectations begin realized.
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$300 to some is an entire summer of cutting lawns and to others, a trip to the grocery store. At the end of the day, it's still $300 that someone paid with the likelihood of a certain expectations begin realized.
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In terms of logic and principle, I am sympathetic to you. But in terms of reality, I just do not think this particular cause is worth what it is going to take to invest in it. Reality bites. We have referred here to successful class action lawsuits, but how many unsuccessful such have there been? I suspect many more.
For an automotive malfunction or design flaw sure, sue away, and you just might win. The stakes are much higher. But over a pickup?
Wow with this thread! I need to scrape my brains off the wall. And not because of single coil bridge pickups. 
One of the problems I have with this is that to me, this is a strike against a reputable reputation from a respected stringed instrument maker.
Gretsch is not owned by FMIC. Gretsch is owned by Fred Gretsch & family. FMIC has their hands on everything else, (marketing, production and distribution) but they do not own Gretsch. Gretsch pups, tuners, bridges are not on any FMIC product that I am aware of.
Gretsch hasn’t made a USA stringed instrument in quite a while and I know that @GretschWretch and @2saddleslab & @AmpegB15 and some others who own older Gretsch basses can comment on this much better than I.
I currently own a Thunder Jet 6128, Electrotone 6073, Electromatic 5442 and a Electromatic 5123
Two are made in Japan and two are made in South Korea.
One of these days I’ll possibly, probably, maybe own the 6119 Broadkaster, 6072 Long scale Elecrotone and possibly the 5440 Long Scale Electromatic.
Just something about hollow/semi-hollow body Gretsch basses.
The Junior Jet bass is a solid body entry level instrument made in China. I think, but I’m not sure, that it started as made in China from the beginning. It’s a great looking instrument and a good entry level price.
Regardless who Gretsch or FMIC contracted with to make this bass, at the end of the day the name at the top of the Headstock is ‘GRETSCH’. It isn’t like what EBMM did with creating SBMM. It’s still a GRETSCH product. And although this may be an entry level bass with an entry level price this is still a strike against a well respected stringed instrument maker’s reputation.
Gretsch is not owned by FMIC. Gretsch is owned by Fred Gretsch & family. FMIC has their hands on everything else, (marketing, production and distribution) but they do not own Gretsch. Gretsch pups, tuners, bridges are not on any FMIC product that I am aware of.
Gretsch hasn’t made a USA stringed instrument in quite a while and I know that @GretschWretch and @2saddleslab & @AmpegB15 and some others who own older Gretsch basses can comment on this much better than I.
I currently own a Thunder Jet 6128, Electrotone 6073, Electromatic 5442 and a Electromatic 5123
Two are made in Japan and two are made in South Korea.
One of these days I’ll possibly, probably, maybe own the 6119 Broadkaster, 6072 Long scale Elecrotone and possibly the 5440 Long Scale Electromatic.
Just something about hollow/semi-hollow body Gretsch basses.
The Junior Jet bass is a solid body entry level instrument made in China. I think, but I’m not sure, that it started as made in China from the beginning. It’s a great looking instrument and a good entry level price.
Regardless who Gretsch or FMIC contracted with to make this bass, at the end of the day the name at the top of the Headstock is ‘GRETSCH’. It isn’t like what EBMM did with creating SBMM. It’s still a GRETSCH product. And although this may be an entry level bass with an entry level price this is still a strike against a well respected stringed instrument maker’s reputation.
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Guys.. ya'll haven't done any research at all... In the USA the FTC is responsible and has jurisdiction over consumer protection. Specially FTC Act Section 5 protects consumers against Deceptive Acts or Practices "A representation, omission or practice misleads or is likely to mislead the consumer;..." The way it works is violations of Section 5 are reviewed by the FTC and a penalty is assessed. This type of thing is VERY common you can review a Invalid Link Removed and proceedings here. The FTC can fine Fender some amount of money as a penalty.
If somebody can reference precedent for a class action lawsuit I'd love to read it.
A lot of the comments in this thread are so cringe, we don't know how many support calls came through Gretch complaining about the pick ups. We don't know why this wasn't caught during testing. At face value this seems like fraud to me.
If somebody can reference precedent for a class action lawsuit I'd love to read it.
A lot of the comments in this thread are so cringe, we don't know how many support calls came through Gretch complaining about the pick ups. We don't know why this wasn't caught during testing. At face value this seems like fraud to me.
We're done for now, and given how this has derailed within the last couple of pages, I don't anticipate reopening unless / until there's actually something to say that isn't
speculation, insult, disrespect, insanity, mindless repetition, etc.
Before you whine about this, consider that mods have real lives and real jobs and we don't actually exist to keep threads like this on the rails. That's YOUR job - every one of you. There are rules. Read and follow them.
Infractions to come, when I'm at a real computer.
speculation, insult, disrespect, insanity, mindless repetition, etc.
Before you whine about this, consider that mods have real lives and real jobs and we don't actually exist to keep threads like this on the rails. That's YOUR job - every one of you. There are rules. Read and follow them.
Infractions to come, when I'm at a real computer.
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