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Have You Ever Experienced A Panic Attack?

Oh no I agree, but I don't think anyone will have to worry about me harming myself in anyway because I just physically can't! I literally am afraid to kill a fly let alone hurt myself or anyone for that matter in any way, so the chances of me doing something so horrific are 1/100. Not trying to jinx myself at all because that's the last thing I want, but I've never been that type of person. I've always looked at life as a complete blessing, so for me to take that away is beyond words. I definitely do believe I should follow my doctors orders, she recently said if my medicine isn't working to just boost it up a little to help, but don't worry guys, Ole Diege is okay.

I'm glad you're optimistic, but I reserve the right to raise an eyebrow at you in skepticism. You don't know what the odds are, and you don't know what you're capable of if the poopstorm gets worse - and I don't mean to sound negative, but things can get worse than you think. I hope you don't ever have to find out, day after week after month after year, how tough you really are. Acute illness is bad. Chronic illness takes a different toll, and if the chronic illness is grinding you down and then you heap an acute episode on top of that, you may be in trouble quick.

Your doctor may be giving you solid advice about a temporary boost in meds to help you get through a really rough patch, but it shouldn't be the only thing in the plan of attack. If you have to do this regularly, then a different treatment plan may be indicated. Also, depending on what you're taking and what your family and personal history is like, you might need to consider addiction potential. In addition to / instead of cranking up the meds, have a support system at the ready of people who can help you help yourself, and things you can do alone to help yourself. These may be as simple as 'Thursday I'm going to the library to read my favorite magazine' or 'Jane and I are going for a walk down by the lake Monday morning.' Keep a list of phone numbers in your wallet or phone - and please include a national suicide hotline whether you think you need it right now or not.


I'm glad you were able to recover from your panic attack, Funk$tar. I have never personally experienced one myself, but a close friend of mine called my girlfriend and I at 2 am because her abusive boyfriend was throwing things around the house. We kept her on the phone as she was panicking, and let me tell you -- the horrific sounds of her shrieking and crying were unparalleled to anything I have ever heard. She is now happily married to a better man.

Thank you, ultimabass, for being there when your friend needed you. It must have been very hard for her to make that phone call, and I'm glad you answered. A gold star to you for BEING a friend and not just SAYING you're a friend!
 
I'm glad you're optimistic, but I reserve the right to raise an eyebrow at you in skepticism. You don't know what the odds are, and you don't know what you're capable of if the poopstorm gets worse - and I don't mean to sound negative, but things can get worse than you think. I hope you don't ever have to find out, day after week after month after year, how tough you really are. Acute illness is bad. Chronic illness takes a different toll, and if the chronic illness is grinding you down and then you heap an acute episode on top of that, you may be in trouble quick.

Your doctor may be giving you solid advice about a temporary boost in meds to help you get through a really rough patch, but it shouldn't be the only thing in the plan of attack. If you have to do this regularly, then a different treatment plan may be indicated. Also, depending on what you're taking and what your family and personal history is like, you might need to consider addiction potential. In addition to / instead of cranking up the meds, have a support system at the ready of people who can help you help yourself, and things you can do alone to help yourself. These may be as simple as 'Thursday I'm going to the library to read my favorite magazine' or 'Jane and I are going for a walk down by the lake Monday morning.' Keep a list of phone numbers in your wallet or phone - and please include a national suicide hotline whether you think you need it right now or not.




Thank you, ultimabass, for being there when your friend needed you. It must have been very hard for her to make that phone call, and I'm glad you answered. A gold star to you for BEING a friend and not just SAYING you're a friend!

My actions hardly deserve a thank you. It's expected of us as friends, no? But thank you, regardless!
 
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My actions hardly deserve a thank you. It's expected of us as friends, no? But thank you, regardless!


No, your actions DO deserve a 'thank you.' I'm going through a (circumstantially) astonishingly bad time right now. It's four months old and it was bad when it started, but I had NO IDEA it would or could spiral into what it has spiraled into. Three weeks ago, when it got so bad as to be utterly absurd, I had phone calls, texts, and emails in to TEN people. Most people got two of the three communication methods, and a few of the people got two VMs left for them, saying 'CALL ME.' These are people who know me very well - some of them have known me for ten years. Guess how many people contacted me?

Zero.

I am well aware that nobody knows what to say to me - the swamp is so deep and so wide and I'm simply going to be in it for awhile and it's going to probably suck worse than it already does - and that nobody (me included, apparently) can 'fix' this. But what people are failing to realize is that I don't need them to 'do' anything. I just need them to be there. Maybe they kick me in the head, maybe they hold my hand, maybe we talk about the weather. But good grief, don't run from me. I'm not radioactive (I don't think).
 
No, your actions DO deserve a 'thank you.' I'm going through a (circumstantially) astonishingly bad time right now. It's four months old and it was bad when it started, but I had NO IDEA it would or could spiral into what it has spiraled into. Three weeks ago, when it got so bad as to be utterly absurd, I had phone calls, texts, and emails in to TEN people. Most people got two of the three communication methods, and a few of the people got two VMs left for them, saying 'CALL ME.' These are people who know me very well - some of them have known me for ten years. Guess how many people contacted me?

Zero.

I am well aware that nobody knows what to say to me - the swamp is so deep and so wide and I'm simply going to be in it for awhile and it's going to probably suck worse than it already does - and that nobody (me included, apparently) can 'fix' this. But what people are failing to realize is that I don't need them to 'do' anything. I just need them to be there. Maybe they kick me in the head, maybe they hold my hand, maybe we talk about the weather. But good grief, don't run from me. I'm not radioactive (I don't think).

I don't know how to help much, given we're over the net and don't know each other. But for what it's worth, I'll whisper a prayer for you.
 
I haven't but my wife has panic attacks particularly due to claustrophobia. We were visiting the House of Seven Gables in Salem MA a few years ago and she got one in a very cramped stairwell. She was not ok until we got out of there and there wasn't much I could do to help. I'd like to think me being with her helped a little but it is one of those things that some people suffer from and there is no way to avoid it completely unless you know what triggers it and avoid those things. Her heart does race too and it is not a pleasant experience. Unfortunately some doctors do dismiss this kind of thing. I will say she has been helped by an alternative medicine center which has switched her diet and given her supplements that have decreased her generalized anxiety. I sympathize with what the OP is going though and I think maybe some alternative therapies might help. This kind of thing is very real for those going through it and if you find the right kind of help it might be possible to at least curb the symptoms.
 
I know this is an old thread, but really wanted to jump in...

wean off of the meds!!!! life is what shapes an individual. the hard knocks make us stronger. meds are a buffer to reality. if a situation causes "panic", take a hike, jog across campus, lift weights, imo/e!
don't rely on man made crap drugs when nature provides the same desired effects with simple herbs! research holistic therapy and be amazed how healthy you can be. my Granny had ancient herbal wisdom. the grand children who followed her teaching are healthy beyond measure and spiritually strong. some of us are so clear of mind,.. we see the future! no BS! we see the F'n future!!! we are not prisoners of Big Pharma. find a way, D

I'm seeing so much go on around me that I'm really starting to get even more concerned about the attitude people have toward medication. I'm not entirely anti-medication, but I am firm in my belief that it should only be considered as a last resort. It doesn't help heal people. It keeps them sick. And there is ABSOLUTELY healing to be had. What goes on with Big Pharma isn't conspiracy theories. They are not interested in making people well. They are looking to suppress symptoms and make people dependent on them with their chemical imbalance theories. We all have chemical imbalances. Scientists have no clue yet what is a proper balance for each individual, nor how to get one. And they never test patients for those balances. They only experiment with them, and then really start twisting things up. If "zaps" don't clue people into that, then I'm not sure what will.

I was completely incapacitated by anxiety, panic, and depression. It's not even worth my putting social anxiety on that list, because even talking on the phone had become impossible. My only option after years of being unable to function was to take my own life. I ultimately didn't have the guts, and fortunately for me - I was put on a holistic as opposed to medical path. That was almost 33 years ago. Today I'm fully recovered, and the chemicals in my brain seem to be fine.

I'm responding to this thread for several reasons, but one big one is that a close friend of mine is starting to go through issues with panic attacks, and I feel helpless. He's not interested in any solutions other than those his doctor has recommended, and I see him headed for deep trouble. A while back he started experiencing panic. He was medicated. It worked. Until it stopped working. He got much more depressed, and the panic got worse than ever. The doctor upped his meds (Lexapro I think), and he sung praises to me about how it was the first time he's felt "normal" in years. This weekend his panic returned again. He's not getting better, he's getting worse - and that's what I see from just about anybody I know who chooses a medical route. Sometimes the getting worse progresses quickly, sometimes it takes decades. I really think that people need to start looking in other directions for help. And I'll add full disclosure here, if anyone thinks this is a veiled plug for my book, it is and it isn't. I had so much to say about this topic that I felt I really needed to get it all out, and I did in that book as opposed to on forums day in and day out (which is what I was doing). My intent was never to sell books, but rather to do my best to point people towards a healing path as opposed to a medicated one.

Hope everyone in this thread is doing OK. Please do yourselves a favor and look into what's causing your problems as opposed to trying to snuff them out with medication. If it doesn't work then medication is always an option. And of course, if already medicated, continue - but work towards healing alongside the meds. I agree that the worst possible thing someone could do is drop their meds cold turkey and without medical supervision. Many people have died like that, and not always the person who quit the meds.
 
I know this is an old thread, but really wanted to jump in...



I'm seeing so much go on around me that I'm really starting to get even more concerned about the attitude people have toward medication. I'm not entirely anti-medication, but I am firm in my belief that it should only be considered as a last resort. It doesn't help heal people. It keeps them sick. And there is ABSOLUTELY healing to be had. What goes on with Big Pharma isn't conspiracy theories. They are not interested in making people well. They are looking to suppress symptoms and make people dependent on them with their chemical imbalance theories. We all have chemical imbalances. Scientists have no clue yet what is a proper balance for each individual, nor how to get one. And they never test patients for those balances. They only experiment with them, and then really start twisting things up. If "zaps" don't clue people into that, then I'm not sure what will.

I was completely incapacitated by anxiety, panic, and depression. It's not even worth my putting social anxiety on that list, because even talking on the phone had become impossible. My only option after years of being unable to function was to take my own life. I ultimately didn't have the guts, and fortunately for me - I was put on a holistic as opposed to medical path. That was almost 33 years ago. Today I'm fully recovered, and the chemicals in my brain seem to be fine.

I'm responding to this thread for several reasons, but one big one is that a close friend of mine is starting to go through issues with panic attacks, and I feel helpless. He's not interested in any solutions other than those his doctor has recommended, and I see him headed for deep trouble. A while back he started experiencing panic. He was medicated. It worked. Until it stopped working. He got much more depressed, and the panic got worse than ever. The doctor upped his meds (Lexapro I think), and he sung praises to me about how it was the first time he's felt "normal" in years. This weekend his panic returned again. He's not getting better, he's getting worse - and that's what I see from just about anybody I know who chooses a medical route. Sometimes the getting worse progresses quickly, sometimes it takes decades. I really think that people need to start looking in other directions for help. And I'll add full disclosure here, if anyone thinks this is a veiled plug for my book, it is and it isn't. I had so much to say about this topic that I felt I really needed to get it all out, and I did in that book as opposed to on forums day in and day out (which is what I was doing). My intent was never to sell books, but rather to do my best to point people towards a healing path as opposed to a medicated one.

Hope everyone in this thread is doing OK. Please do yourselves a favor and look into what's causing your problems as opposed to trying to snuff them out with medication. If it doesn't work then medication is always an option. And of course, if already medicated, continue - but work towards healing alongside the meds. I agree that the worst possible thing someone could do is drop their meds cold turkey and without medical supervision. Many people have died like that, and not always the person who quit the meds.

once again,.. great post! btw, seeing my post tickled me a bit. i sure sounded like i was trying to sell Granny 's Ancient Remedies, ha. :roflmao:
 
I know this is an old thread, but really wanted to jump in...



I'm seeing so much go on around me that I'm really starting to get even more concerned about the attitude people have toward medication. I'm not entirely anti-medication, but I am firm in my belief that it should only be considered as a last resort. It doesn't help heal people. It keeps them sick. And there is ABSOLUTELY healing to be had. What goes on with Big Pharma isn't conspiracy theories. They are not interested in making people well. They are looking to suppress symptoms and make people dependent on them with their chemical imbalance theories. We all have chemical imbalances. Scientists have no clue yet what is a proper balance for each individual, nor how to get one. And they never test patients for those balances. They only experiment with them, and then really start twisting things up. If "zaps" don't clue people into that, then I'm not sure what will.

I was completely incapacitated by anxiety, panic, and depression. It's not even worth my putting social anxiety on that list, because even talking on the phone had become impossible. My only option after years of being unable to function was to take my own life. I ultimately didn't have the guts, and fortunately for me - I was put on a holistic as opposed to medical path. That was almost 33 years ago. Today I'm fully recovered, and the chemicals in my brain seem to be fine.

I'm responding to this thread for several reasons, but one big one is that a close friend of mine is starting to go through issues with panic attacks, and I feel helpless. He's not interested in any solutions other than those his doctor has recommended, and I see him headed for deep trouble. A while back he started experiencing panic. He was medicated. It worked. Until it stopped working. He got much more depressed, and the panic got worse than ever. The doctor upped his meds (Lexapro I think), and he sung praises to me about how it was the first time he's felt "normal" in years. This weekend his panic returned again. He's not getting better, he's getting worse - and that's what I see from just about anybody I know who chooses a medical route. Sometimes the getting worse progresses quickly, sometimes it takes decades. I really think that people need to start looking in other directions for help. And I'll add full disclosure here, if anyone thinks this is a veiled plug for my book, it is and it isn't. I had so much to say about this topic that I felt I really needed to get it all out, and I did in that book as opposed to on forums day in and day out (which is what I was doing). My intent was never to sell books, but rather to do my best to point people towards a healing path as opposed to a medicated one.

Hope everyone in this thread is doing OK. Please do yourselves a favor and look into what's causing your problems as opposed to trying to snuff them out with medication. If it doesn't work then medication is always an option. And of course, if already medicated, continue - but work towards healing alongside the meds. I agree that the worst possible thing someone could do is drop their meds cold turkey and without medical supervision. Many people have died like that, and not always the person who quit the meds.

Although I agree with much of your sentiments here, if the chemical mix in the brain IS the thing causing the problem, taking a medication to correct this, can be extremely useful. That's certainly been the case with my experience. I've had 3 episodes with clinical depression, generalized anxiety disorder and panic attacks; first one in July 2011, then Febuary 2013 and the last one was Sept 2014. Last episode I even commited myself to the psyche ward for my own protection. But there was also where we (the docs and I) found what was probably my "issue". So the story was with me: Crash, go on meds and get therapy, get well, taper off meds, get clean, after one month being clean, crash again. So when the last episode happened, and seeing as the episodes has been exactly 19 months apart, and there were no specific life stuff that could explain WHY I should hit rock bottom, in fact, by external and circumstance factors, I should be pretty content with life, the doctor said: "You know, it's seems that you're having a chemical depresson..." so the strategy forward for me, we agreed on, should be after getting well, this time around, to don't get completely off the meds so quickly, but to take it step by step, and carefully monitor my response and mood etc. Because if "the schedule was to be kept", I should have my fourth crash in April 2016, right? Well, the fourth crash didn't happen, and I'm still on a low dose of my "choice" of anti-depressants. Now, do I credit my current well being on the meds alone? Not completely, I do have knowledge and understanding now, that I didn't before. But IMO, they definitely play their significant part. For in April 2015, I went down a step with the meds, and after a 2 weeks I started getting worse, so then I went a step up again, and was well again after a week. Then later (Dec 2015) I went down again, and this time I could stay on this lower dose OK. So what is the road forward? I'd like to get of medication completely, ideally, of course. But if I do and I get worse, I'll be back on the meds really fast. And if I need to take them for the rest of my life, so be it. So seen from this p.o.v.; I could very well argue that Big Pharma saved my life, right? Now, I'm as concerned as anyone with the over medication of large groups of people, and especially in America and of young children in America. And finance and money, and all of that. One thing I think is unfortunate, is the cost of getting therapy from a psychiatrist in the U.S. Because to me; the best treatment is the sword where both edges is sharp against depression; meds and therapy. And the reason for much over medication, is the lack of oppurtunity for therapy. After my first episode, I went to therapy up to 3 times a week, for almost 6 months, and I paid about $20 an hour until I paid totally $230, after that everything was free of charge. Which is how the rules are in Norway. For treatment, medication, costs related to treatment or medication (flight, taxi etc), any cost above $230 for the whole year is covered by the state. So to observe health care debates etc. going on in the U.S. from this perspective, well. it's a totally different reality. And with regard to mental health, especially; with the kind of pressure that the American system puts upon a individual; well, it's not really something that encourages good mental health IMO. (I wrote this fast, so if spelling grammar etc is off; me so sorry, m'kay?;) ). And of cousrse; I too; hope everyone here is well! :)
 
I had open heart triple bypass surgery in December of last year. Afterwards I had numerous panic attacks for about the next month or two. Was not fun at all. Especially after the prescription med I was on to help ran out and the doctors would not renew it. They all said that it was better for me to just go without at that point as the attacks should be slowing down and then stopping. Scared the crap out of me as the attacks were really bad, but they were right.
But sometimes I have nightmares about them still. And I even feel like I am close to having them still at times, but I seem to be able to relax and breathe and they don't get worse.

Note, I had never had them before the surgery. But apparently that is a common side effect.
Russ
 
Panic attacks and I know each other well.

I'm unable to work (or for that matter spend several consecutive days of of my house) without panic attacks and vomiting.

After I took a job working nights, for ten years I couldn't sleep if the sun was down without having one. Only sleeping between 6 and 8am so you can be at work at 9am doesn't help with my mental instability (bipolar) and makes it really hard to be functional.

However, I know I don't have it as bad as a lot of people. I have all the physical things during - unable to breathe, heart palpitations, I feel like my skin is electrified, I need to go to a quiet room away from everyone/escape ... But thru it all, I can still manage to focus on my breathing. In. Out. In. Out. And it passes.
 
Back when i was in full blown denial of the fact that i was forever physically broken and would never be able to make a full recovery, i would mood swing from depression due to this giant hole in my right thigh large enough to put both hands out of sight in, to rage at the A-hole whose agressive driving put that hole in my leg, to frustration at not being able to walk more than five minutes without my left leg just dropping out of the process and refusing to hold me up due to massive soft tissue injury and nerve damage. Every day i'd set out with my cane, determined to take at least one more step today than yesterday. I'd walk until i fell, rest until i could get up then walk some more. I took to marking the curb with chalk where i was forced down as a way to gauge my progress. It took the better part of a year to finally accept that the reason all my chalk marks were within a few inches of each other was due to the fact the effing doctors i was determined to prove wrong about my situation were in fact right. Their telling me i would never fully recover the use of my legs was not just some way to motivate me to push harder, but was just the simple unvarnished truth; that my days of three miles in eighteen minutes were as much a part of my past as my last birthday.

It was really weird, when i first said (to myself) "this is your new reality", i felt a rush of absolute panic so strong i experienced vertigo and fell out in a heap while my stomach churned up a massive load of whatever was in it, and gifted me with a largish puddle of dank smelling slime to roll around in. My breath was coming in gasps and i was seeing all manner of odd shaped black cutouts as i tried to keep from passing out, and lost. I guess it was simply providence i passed out face down as i apparently vomited some more ( and lost all bladder and bowel control) after i blacked out. Wifey came home and found me, got me back around, and helped me up and into the shower. At that point i could not pinpoint what had caused the attack but over the next few days i figured out what was causing them, but that only led to them coming at random. Not as bad as the first one, but bad enough to cause shortness of breath and dizzyness to the point if i didn't heed the first warning and sit down,the second warning would put me staggering off my feet.

In the immediate aftermath of the wreck that claimed my mobility, i spent some time talking to a shrink about the whole thing because i was determined to locate the guy responsible and hurt him really bad the minute i was back on my feet. I screwed up and expressed that desire to wifey and she insisted i talk to a pro about my plans. He was a great help on that subject so wifey once again asked me to go see the same guy. He decided i needed a little helper and put me on some form of mood elevator and it worked like a charm. I went from constantly wondering when the next ambush was coming, to happy, to drooler in very short order. One day in what was becoming an increasingly rare moment of lucidity, i realized i could replicate the feelings in the happy phase if i wanted, that while the drug had made it happen it was still a conscious thought process and now that i'd actually experienced that process i could repeat it at will with just a little effort and concentration. I flushed the mood elevators to avoid the possibility of returning to the couch forever and began to work on my newfound freedom from panic.

While i'm worlds better today, i still suffer one niggling side effect from those days, i have shed more tears in the last few years than i did my entire life prior to the initial onset of the panic attacks. It's a totally random thing and can be caused by beauty, joy, or sorrow, and it usually blindsides me. I'll be driving and a sad song will come on and it activates the water works. It may only be a few seconds, or it may last a while. I used to be so embarassed by this i would find a place to hide when it started, and i suspect it's the root cause of my reluctance to venture out into the world as much as i used to. I'm slowly getting better at recognizing triggers as i gradually shed the shame i once felt because grown men don't cry, and i still believe there is much truth in that statement, but i've also come to realize what an amazing mental pressure relief valve tears can be.

I relate this only to demonstrate that relief from panic without chemical tinkering is possible. If as simple a soul as myself can find it, most anyone can do the same thing.
 
Back when i was in full blown denial of the fact that i was forever physically broken and would never be able to make a full recovery, i would mood swing from depression due to this giant hole in my right thigh large enough to put both hands out of sight in, to rage at the A-hole whose agressive driving put that hole in my leg, to frustration at not being able to walk more than five minutes without my left leg just dropping out of the process and refusing to hold me up due to massive soft tissue injury and nerve damage. Every day i'd set out with my cane, determined to take at least one more step today than yesterday. I'd walk until i fell, rest until i could get up then walk some more. I took to marking the curb with chalk where i was forced down as a way to gauge my progress. It took the better part of a year to finally accept that the reason all my chalk marks were within a few inches of each other was due to the fact the effing doctors i was determined to prove wrong about my situation were in fact right. Their telling me i would never fully recover the use of my legs was not just some way to motivate me to push harder, but was just the simple unvarnished truth; that my days of three miles in eighteen minutes were as much a part of my past as my last birthday.

It was really weird, when i first said (to myself) "this is your new reality", i felt a rush of absolute panic so strong i experienced vertigo and fell out in a heap while my stomach churned up a massive load of whatever was in it, and gifted me with a largish puddle of dank smelling slime to roll around in. My breath was coming in gasps and i was seeing all manner of odd shaped black cutouts as i tried to keep from passing out, and lost. I guess it was simply providence i passed out face down as i apparently vomited some more ( and lost all bladder and bowel control) after i blacked out. Wifey came home and found me, got me back around, and helped me up and into the shower. At that point i could not pinpoint what had caused the attack but over the next few days i figured out what was causing them, but that only led to them coming at random. Not as bad as the first one, but bad enough to cause shortness of breath and dizzyness to the point if i didn't heed the first warning and sit down,the second warning would put me staggering off my feet.

In the immediate aftermath of the wreck that claimed my mobility, i spent some time talking to a shrink about the whole thing because i was determined to locate the guy responsible and hurt him really bad the minute i was back on my feet. I screwed up and expressed that desire to wifey and she insisted i talk to a pro about my plans. He was a great help on that subject so wifey once again asked me to go see the same guy. He decided i needed a little helper and put me on some form of mood elevator and it worked like a charm. I went from constantly wondering when the next ambush was coming, to happy, to drooler in very short order. One day in what was becoming an increasingly rare moment of lucidity, i realized i could replicate the feelings in the happy phase if i wanted, that while the drug had made it happen it was still a conscious thought process and now that i'd actually experienced that process i could repeat it at will with just a little effort and concentration. I flushed the mood elevators to avoid the possibility of returning to the couch forever and began to work on my newfound freedom from panic.

While i'm worlds better today, i still suffer one niggling side effect from those days, i have shed more tears in the last few years than i did my entire life prior to the initial onset of the panic attacks. It's a totally random thing and can be caused by beauty, joy, or sorrow, and it usually blindsides me. I'll be driving and a sad song will come on and it activates the water works. It may only be a few seconds, or it may last a while. I used to be so embarassed by this i would find a place to hide when it started, and i suspect it's the root cause of my reluctance to venture out into the world as much as i used to. I'm slowly getting better at recognizing triggers as i gradually shed the shame i once felt because grown men don't cry, and i still believe there is much truth in that statement, but i've also come to realize what an amazing mental pressure relief valve tears can be.

I relate this only to demonstrate that relief from panic without chemical tinkering is possible. If as simple a soul as myself can find it, most anyone can do the same thing.

That's a really powerful story. Sorry you went through all that, but realize my "sorry" doesn't amount to a whole lot. Happy you seem to be finding your way towards healing.

You mentioned a few things in there that triggered some memories for me. First is being blindsided by the panic. Mine could be triggered by anything, it wasn't as if any circumstance or outside events had anything to do with it. My own thinking was my own worst enemy, and the biggest bully I've ever known. I could be in paradise without a care in the world, and a panic could (and often would) come along and rob everything from me. It was beyond horrible, and I feel gives me a very clear understanding of things others sometimes have a rough time wrapping their brains around. Things like why someone like Robin Williams would take his own life. Or Chris Cornell, or any of those famous people who have. It makes more sense to me that they would do that, than people who still feel they have a shot at something material saving them. If that makes sense? Not saying something material WILL save others, but it might at least give those others a glimmer of hope for the future.

The other thing, something I completely forgot about, was a thought I had when I stopped drinking. Alcohol was my medication for panic and anxiety, and it worked really well for a while. It not only eliminated the panic, it enabled me to do things I couldn't do; talk to women, attend parties, be the LIFE of those parties, jump on a stage, stand up for myself when necessary... and on and on. Alcohol was my courage, and when I first put the drink down I had a thought very similar to yours. Alcohol gave me the bravery to do all those things, but it was still "me" who was doing them. Something deep in my soul told me that I was entirely capable of doing all the things alcohol enabled, without the alcohol - and almost 33 years later I can say emphatically that I was right. I went from being a guy who couldn't walk out his front door without being medicated, to someone who's accomplished quite a bit more than that. More than I ever anticipated, dreamed, or even ever wanted for that matter.

I understand that some people need medication. I understand also that medication can be very helpful, save lives, and help people get over tough spots they'd probably never have gotten over on their own. What I think is a huge problem however (and something I know I keep repeating :)) is that medication not a cure, and for most people, IME, ultimately winds up not working. As I said in my last post, for some people that's evident in a few short months or years. Other people it takes decades. Robin Williams was being treated for depression. Chris Cornell was being treated for anxiety. The Columbine kids were being treated, as was that kid who walked into the Batman movie with 3 rifles. All the people in my life who have taken their own lives and/or wound up institutionalized were people who were being treated. And I know many people who were in the same condition as me (and worse) who chose a holistic route, who have been healed. Some form of treatment was however absolutely necessary.

There is a great book I wish everyone would read. America Fooled by Timothy Scott. It's not the best on the subject (there are many others) but it's the easiest reading, and most entertaining. For me, anyhow. It makes clear a lot of the things about medication that I've always suspected, yet could never validate. Psychiatrists are taught to treat people with medication. Period. They don't work at helping people change their diet, and most don't even ever question their patients about that. They don't work at helping to motivate people to start doing even the simplest of exercises - something that's been clinically proven over and over to work as well as (and often better than) antidepressants. They don't investigate daily living habits people have that could very well be exacerbating their condition. They don't offer even the simplest of holistic exercises/practices that could make panic attacks and anxiety more tolerable, and chip away at them. They rarely offer any tools to facilitate healing. They medicate, discuss and evaluate how the medication is working, and talk about people's problems.

I could obviously go and and on and on... again, it's why I wrote a book.

I'll end by reiterating that I am NOT totally against medication for mental/emotional illness. I have however made some rules for myself which I don't think I've ever mentioned before. These are my own personal rules. I will not ever again consider medication unless I'm:

A. Suicidal
B. Homicidal
C. Truly unable to function
D. Hearing voices or having delusions

Thankfully none of those apply. I'm hopeful that they never will, so long as I keep doing the things I've been doing for the past 30 plus years.
 
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