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Hearing Loss and Ear Plugs

I'm having my own custom fit earplugs made tomorrow!

Just a question, the 'heaviest' standard filter is -25 dB.

Do you think this enough? We rehearse in a small room and my guitarplayers are pretty loud.

It's awesome that you're getting those plugs. Congratulations. I have them, too! Please keep in mind that they take some getting used to in a number of ways (e.g., they do cut the high freqs > the low freqs, but much less than drugstore plugs and, of course, the music won't "go to eleven" any longer, which some miss), so don't feel disappointed when things are challenging for a while. You need them and you'll get used to them and appreciate them greatly, ultimately!

Is the 25 dB attenuation enough, given your rehearsal room and your "pretty loud" guitarists? I have no way of knowing, Vorago. You want to bring the sound-levels down to 80 dB max, to be safe. So: (a) Those guitarists must turn it down. Chances are good that the rockin' in your room reaches 120 dB or thereabouts and that's not good even with hearing-protection. (b) For a few bucks, you can buy a dB-meter at Radio Shack, etc. You probably want to know for yourself how loud it gets during rehearsal. Please don't cave into the guitarists. Their egotistical behavior can harm you. Oh, guitarists.... :crying: (c) Ultimately, only you can measure how risky the acoustic environment is in that room during practice, using the tools (TURN IT DOWN + measurement) I recommended. See, so many factors influence the acoustics of your room: The exact size, of course, but also the presence or absence of sound-dampening what-nots, etc. (d) If the guitar-heroes aren't considerate of you after you explain your needs to them, I'd recommend finding another band. You deserve to play with people who care about others, anyhow. A band should be like family, not a bunch of narcissists.

Good Luck, man

~Hill

Note: The information provided herein should never be misconstrued as a substitute for a face-to-face consultation with a licensed, graduate-level hearing professional.
 
Hi just a quick question:
We reherse between 105 and 115db. I have always used earplug (not mucj choise at those volumes...) I use a pair with a 15db cut. Do you think thats enough?

Given that most occupational-safety professionals recommend "bringing it down" to around 80 dB if you're going to be spending time engaging in your sonic activity (which you will, of course), I must say that you do not presently have sufficient hearing-protection. I'm not going to patronize you and do the math.

Please get 25 dB custom earplugs (or 25 dB filters if you've already got custom molds), purchase a dB-meter (cheap!) and try your best to keep rehearsals quieter. Even if they're at 105 dB, with 25 shaved off, you should be nice and safe. 115 dB is too loud, however. Look at the occupational-safety guidelines for exposure to 90 + dB sound (e.g., how long is considered safe) and proceed accordingly. The guitarist/s and drummer can turn it down and owe you (and themselves) that. Loudness gives many of us an addictive adrenaline/endorphine-rush, but when the rush subsides, we're left with the consequences. I used to be madly addicted to that rush. Not any more.

Good Luck to You, Bass-Colleague,

~Hill

Note: The information provided herein should never be misconstrued as a substitute for a face-to-face consultation with a licensed, graduate-level hearing professional.
 
I keep reading the product name "ER 20" but after googeling around I seem to stumble accross diferent companies that have a product with that name. I just ordered a new pair at our local specialists namely the "ER-20-S" and I think the firm was "egger". On the net I also found some by a firm called hEAR SAFE. I was wondering if they are marketed by different companies, but are the same product I have read reviews about here on talkbass? To clarify my question, what company do the "ER 20"s that are mentioned here so often come from?
 
The ER-20 look a lot like the Hearos plug that I use, mine are rating 12 db as well, therefore I think they are the same exact models. They are sold by Guitar Center.

Now I don't know much about the ones that the AUDIOLOGIST fits on you.

Has anybody ever used one of those DIY kits with an impression kit you send back to the factory?

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whoa. this is kinda scary. i dont think i have tenitis. at least not to the extent you describe. i stand close the drummer often and the drummers i play with are often loud! anyway, i do notice time to time that my ear has that high pitch ring. however for me, it will just come in out of nowhere! but then totally go away after about an hour. i'm not sure what that's about. anyway. i do wear earplugs now. only thing i hate is that the earplugs make me play the bass differently. at least it feels like it. i think cuz i can't hear all the nuances going on. :hmm:
 
I just bought a pair of custom molded earplugs with a 15 db filter and I must say they are awesome!

I can hear everything just fine and I actually like how my bass sounds with them in. You can hear it more "inside" of you if that makes sense and I can actually hear articulations and little nuances better than I could before.

I would highly recommend visiting with an audiologist and getting a pair. They are a little spendy but well worth it.
 
whoa. this is kinda scary. i dont think i have tenitis. at least not to the extent you describe. i stand close the drummer often and the drummers i play with are often loud! anyway, i do notice time to time that my ear has that high pitch ring. however for me, it will just come in out of nowhere! but then totally go away after about an hour. i'm not sure what that's about. anyway. i do wear earplugs now. only thing i hate is that the earplugs make me play the bass differently. at least it feels like it. i think cuz i can't hear all the nuances going on. :hmm:

Hi Root Soup,

You "do wear earplugs now" and props to you on that. What was was.... You're moving forward! Agonizing over the past leads to anxiety and depression, potentially. Avoid such thoughts. As for the episodic "out of nowhere" sensation of "high pitch ring," this happens to many people from time to time, folks who are not exposed to the thunder that we are :help: It can be a sign of...nothing at all.

You state that you hate "that the earplugs make me play the bass differently...." Are those hi-fi (even "generic" ones like the ER-20s) that you're using? I suspect, from your description, that they are not. However, regardless of what kind of hearing protection you wear, yes, indeed, there's no free lunch: Even with the best hi-fi custom musician-earplugs, things will sound different, but you adapt:

SPECIFICALLY, WITH MUSICIAN EARPLUGS:
(a) The overall volume you perceive will drop a number of dBs, depending on the particular filters; (b) While INFINITELY (pretty much) better than foam plugs and the usual drugstore suspects, the hi-fi plugs do cut more hi-freq (in dBs) than they do lows and mids. (c) Subsequently, as bassist11 wrote earlier, the sound "feels" differently, partially because of the cut in the lows, the frequencies that one is prone to feel in addition to hear. You become more attuned to the PHYSICAL sensation of the vibrations producted by the bass. I'm with bassist11: I find it very nice--the Thunder of the Bass is more present than ever (for you) :bassist:. (d) All musicians today (classical included) have been determined by massive amounts of research in the fields of otology, audiology, etc. to need custom earplugs. You are a musician, so you've got to get the plugs, too. They cost less than the cheapest Squire and even if they didn't, your hearing-health is worth, well, how much to you? Good. Moving right along.

To get the custom plugs, you must go see an audiologist & ENT @ your friendly (best) local clinic, preferably one located in a teaching hospital. You will let them know ahead of time that you are a musician and wish to be fitted with musician's-earplugs. To set your mind at ease, speak to the audiologist and ENT/otologist to determine whether they have experience working with musicians. If they don't, look elsewhere. At the clinic, your hearing (sensitivity, ability to properly hear softly spoken words, and what not) will be examined as well as your ears (ear canal, tympanic membrane AKA "eardrum,", etc.).

After that, regardless of the results (unless you have, say, an infection that's got to be treated before anything is inserted in your ears), your friendly audiologist will insert this absolutely great-feeling (forreal) soft material into your ears, and wait for it to harden. That's the rough mold. It'll then be sent to an appropriate company where the mold will be "smoothed out" and fitted with the filters of your choice (usually 9, 15, or 25 dB). Unless you play "acoustic" sets in small coffee houses exclusively and never go to live-band concerts, I very very strongly urge you to get custom molds with 25 dB filters.

(e) On that happy day (usually 2-wks later) when you get your plugs (and pay for them), you'll immediately start using them. And, yes, things will sound different to you, right. The sound of your bass as your auditory cortex (and thus, you) perceives it will be altered as a result of less volume and somewhat altered frequencies entering your ear. And therefore, you'll feel somewhat clumsy for a short while (it's confusing!). Your ears will feel different (it's like getting used to wearing eye-glasses, the "feeling part"). However, virtually all musicians, after a period of adaptation, have no trouble with perceiving their instruments' output properly. Indeed the vast majority of them report that, if anything, their playing has improved because they can concentrate better and don't have to struggle with "noise fatigue." You got it: Many enjoy how the ambient (background) noise is much reduced, and how the shredding guitars and ear-splitting tricked-out drums are so much less distracting. In time, you will be immensely glad you bought the plugs. Your ears, auditory nerve, auditory cortex, and associated auditory "accessories" you were born with will be glad immediately.

Please don't delay!

Good Luck,

PD

Note: The information provided herein should never be misconstrued as a substitute for a face-to-face consultation with a licensed, graduate-level hearing professional.
 
I wish there was an easy way to bring the matter of turning down up with the band without seeming "uncool."

What's "cool" and what's "uncool?" This is a question worth pondering. I used to be in a band that considered it very cool to drink a minimum of a fifth of vodka (each member) after the gig and crash @ the local motel. I, a fairly tall and muscular guy with good metabolism, would settle for 1-3 beers (but I admit that I was stupid on rare occasions); often, I wouldn't drink at all. We played for many years, usually every night. The liver and kidney diseases these awesome guys struggle with currently (every single one of them) are very "uncool." These men are disabled for the rest of their (agonizing and shortened) lives. I grieve for them.

This "coolness" thang is all about peer-pressure. Every group of peers, depending on the setting, engages in group-think, decides what's cool, and proceeds to pressure the independent thinkers in that group to conform.

IMHO, not conforming to idiotic sheeple-think is as COOL as it gets.

Dare to be different if it makes sense to be that way. There's nothing on earth cooler than that.

Regards,

PD
 
and i cant get custom molded plugs here

You're in New Delhi, man! Of course you can get the plugs. Have you seen any folks with real-deal (i.e., not those hidden, in-the-canal vanity ones) hearing aids in the area, lately? The molds they have in their ears are made in precisely the same fashion as the musician ear-plug molds.

I urge you to call UNIVERSITY departments of Audiology and ask about the plugs.

And what kind of plugs do y'all use, anyhow? The Mesa, AZ subscriber had a good Q and irrespective of your current answer, you might want to correspond with NickInMesa about the matter. Regardless of where your amps are situated, though:

(a) You should not be experiencing the post-gig ringing with fully inserted earplugs of the proper type, which we've discussed over the past, oh, years, unless you play at Sound Pressure Levels (SPLs, dBs) that would overwhelm a death-metal band on speed.

(b) Your amps don't need to be cranked up to dangerous SPL-levels: They're your monitors if you wish. Let the sound-crew crank up the PA-what-have-you that faces the crowd. This is a lesson I learnt the hard way (not that I gave a ##@@! back then).

Whatever. You can get custom earplugs. I asked a local professor of ENT here in Missouri, and he looked at me like I'd lost my mind when I asked him if one could get such plugs in New Delhi! "Of course one can," was his answer. Given that he's got some colleagues in India, I accepted his reply as conclusive.

Go for it. And until you have the custom plugs, you can get the ER-20 hi-fi generic plugs online. Although made by Etymonic, all sorts of brands slap their name onto them. They'll have a 12 dB attenuation according to the add, but the lit you can pull up from Etymonic (go to their site; it's very educational) will explain why this is misleading. But be forewarned: "hi-fi" is also a somewhat misleading term. "much better fi" would be more appropriate. And you need it!!!!!!

PD

Note: The information provided herein should never be misconstrued as a substitute for a face-to-face consultation with a licensed, graduate-level hearing professional.