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Hearing Loss and Ear Plugs

Which molded plugs did you get? I am looking for plugs that don't distort the sound.

I have tried the Etymotics ER-20s, Surefire EP3, and Planet Waves PWPEP1 Pacato. All are decent, but seem to distort sound (maybe I am expecting too much). Are the molded plugs better than the "mid-level" plugs listed above? I say "mid-level" because the ones I have tried are way better than the orange foam, but cost less than the custom molded.

I don't mind paying for the molded plugs, but was wondering what brand you recommend and how much better are they?

Thanks! :help:

i got mine in germany in the hearing-aid-shop around the corner. they took the shape of my ears and sent them away to some bigger company to have them made, then added the filters.
I didn't try any of the plugs you mentioned, but i tried a few in the $20-40 range. none came even close.
the only disadvantage hearingwise is that the sound of your body is heavily amplified. you hear your heartbeat, breating and chewing much louder than you're used to.
 
Those low-budget plugs are worth what you pay for. In other words, they do not provide an effective seal against damaging noise. Go to an audiologist and get custom molded earplugs. About $150. If you play in a loud band without ear protection, you are STUPID. Hearing loss is irreversible. Treat your self now to protection or pay for it for the rest of your life.
 
In about a week I'm going to Boonstock which is a three day music festival with four stages and I'm wondering what I should do for protection. Normally I use Alpine musicsafe classics with the gold filters for the metal shows I go to and I really like how much better loud shows sound with them. The problem is that after about an hour of being around a bunch of people, they tend to cause my ears to sweat and they wont stay in.

At my work, I just received fender's line of ear plugs (Concert, Musician, and Touring). They're very cheap with my discount but I'm not sure which to get. The touring ones are more like the Alpine musicsafe in that they provide a close to flat attenuation curve (-14.5 dB @ 125Hz, -18.9 @ 1kHz, -19.8 dB @ 4kHz, -24.6 dB @ 8kHz) but will these be good enough? They are triple flange vs double of the musicsafe so I think they would stick in better. I know custom would be the best, but I wouldn't want to risk losing $150 plugs considering it's a three day long party :hyper:

The concert ear plugs are basically just like what would be used on job sites.. cheap $1 things, but they attenuate from -38.4 dB @ 125Hz to -47.3 dB @ 8kHz.. I feel like they would make everything sound like crap. The musicians ear plugs have a bit less attenuation, but still are not very flat (-27.5 dB @ 125 Hz to -43.8 dB @ 8kHz)

Basically what I'm wondering is if the touring version would be good enough.. I plan on buying a few pairs of the really cheap general concert plugs just in case I manage to lose the good ones.
 
The "custom molded" will fit you so well that they won't fall off unless you head-bang yourself silly against walls and other hard objects...

Three days exposed to multiple shows at high volume levels is more than enough time to screw yourself more than $150 in terms of hearing damage, but only you can determine how much your hearing is worth to you.
 
I never lose them out of my ears, it's when they're out that I lose them :ninja:

I would have no problem paying $150 for customs. The problem is that I was JUST given the tickets yesterday. That is not enough time to order up some custom earplugs considering I have a week until the festival.

With that in mind, what would my best option be? Obviously the 'concert' ear plugs would be the best protection, but I'd like to be able to hear details well. Not just muffled muddy sound. I'm guessing spl could easily hit 110dB out there so I'm guessing the musicsafes or fender touring earplugs won't be enough since at 125Hz and 110 dB spl, I'll still get ~95 dB to the ears. I'd like to compromise between protection and sound quality, while minimising risks. I'm not going to be at the front of the stages all day, each of the three days.

If I didn't value my hearing, I wouldn't have come here asking ;) .. in fact I'm one of the only people I know that bothers with earplugs other than those I work with.
 
I never lose them out of my ears, it's when they're out that I lose them :ninja:

I would have no problem paying $150 for customs. The problem is that I was JUST given the tickets yesterday. That is not enough time to order up some custom earplugs considering I have a week until the festival.

With that in mind, what would my best option be? Obviously the 'concert' ear plugs would be the best protection, but I'd like to be able to hear details well. Not just muffled muddy sound. I'm guessing spl could easily hit 110dB out there so I'm guessing the musicsafes or fender touring earplugs won't be enough since at 125Hz and 110 dB spl, I'll still get ~95 dB to the ears. I'd like to compromise between protection and sound quality, while minimising risks. I'm not going to be at the front of the stages all day, each of the three days.

If I didn't value my hearing, I wouldn't have come here asking ;) .. in fact I'm one of the only people I know that bothers with earplugs other than those I work with.

Cool. Actually, you're right; ordering customs would take longer than a week, depending on your audiologist and her/his providers. I also hear you on losing then when you're not wearing them; my son lost one of his 25dB filters at a concert.

Well, stay as protected as you can and enjoy the festival!
 
Thank you so much to everyone who posted in this thread. I've read a lot on here and it's been really helpful.

I am currently playing with a band (as a sub) that has an obnoxious stage volume. In the few rehearsals we've had, I've left feeling like my ears are filled with water or my hands are over them, blocking the sound. No ringing, but I suspect that it's because I'm not doing it all the time.

I've wondered how many people use ear protection and what they thought of it. Now I know a lot more. I've also wondered how much sound/input I will lose using earplugs on stage (in the past, it's never been an issue, the bands I played with were only moderately loud, if loud at all).

For my gig on Saturday I will have some earplugs, and after reading what has been posted here, I won't feel like a wuss for doing so.

Thank you for an informative and great thread, Talkbass.
 
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there's a place on like west 38th street or something in manhattan that makes these things...or go to any hearing aid place to get an ear mold.
I've bought exactly 2 pairs over the last 15 years.
that comes out to about $16 per year. seems like a good deal to me to save my hearing.
 
I've been using Westone Musician's Custom Earmolds for a number of years now with my rock band, and they were definitely worth the expense! (I keep those in my 'gigging' bass case) I also have carried 2 pair of Etymotic Ety Plugs ER-20 in the glove box of my car for my wife and me to use at concerts, etc. The Etys are a no-brainer... best bang for the buck out there.
 
I joined a rock band about two years ago. They kept volumes down to "reasonable" levels when practicing but at the first show the volume wars began. The next day I had a massive headache and noticed the ringing hadn't gone away. I decided to invest in a pair of Sensaphonic custom molded earplugs. Frankly, it's the best piece of gear I've ever purchased. I wore those babies religiously at first, but then I began singing backups and I found myself pulling them out so I could hear myself sing. Wrong move! I always regretted doing that. To this day I have a faint ringing in my ear. The band is on hiatus now and if we get back together and I continue to sing, I'm going with some in-ears.
 
If you play in a loud band without ear protection, you are STUPID. Hearing loss is irreversible. Treat your self now to protection or pay for it for the rest of your life.

I posted a great deal on this topic a few years ago: Revisiting my years as a young, invincible-in-my-own-eyes combat-veteran & bassist in this context hurt. But I wanted to give other bassists with tinnitus, say, some hope, &, if asked, advice, too. Not that long ago, I was in their shoes. And it hurt so badly.

I developed bilateral tinnitus in my '20s. Few peers seemed to know anything about it at the time. Prior to becoming a serious musician, I was a soldier. I saw two tours of combat duty. T & other hearing conditions were dirty secrets in both "work settings." I suppose the music industry & military hoped that if the problems weren't addressed, nobody would notice them, or at least nobody would be able to see the correlations.... How cruel! I decided to get my hearing checked.

My 1st audiology exam & ENT consult were a disastrous package. Immediately upon entering the office, I was told "if you've got tinnitus, you've got hearing loss, too." I gave the examiner an impromptu lecture on patient-abuse &, mistakenly, took the test, anyhow. I was worked up, raging & panicking. In spite of this, my audiogram was within high normal limits, 0 dB @ virtually all tested frequencies. But it didn't represent my true hearing. My overheated mood also affected my results on the word-recognition test. I didn't do much listening.... Still, I passed. I felt like I'd been gang-raped. I withdrew for a few months; I wouldn't talk; I mostly slept...fitfully. I'll spare you any further "confessions." I shared the above to better illustrate my points.

I was urged by friends to go to a different clinic, where the staff had a reputation for, imagine, compassion. Yet I was furious, raging with a sense of violation. Thus, I blew the matter off for a long time. Eventually, I went. This 2nd exam couldn't have been more different. Nobody tried to candy-coat anything. Yet everybody tried & succeeded in treating me like a human being deserving of dignity & good "bedside manner."

The exam was far more thorough than the 1st. I took it in a calm state-of-mind. My audiogram was quite surprising: The only "notches" were in the "negative" dB domain, i.e., I could hear (many) tones softer than 0 dB, an artificial threshold rather than an "absolute zero" measure. IOW, my hearing, at all tested frequencies, all the way up to the hard-to-test (via standard air-conduction pure-tone audiometry) extended high frequencies (16 kHz in this test), was abnormally normal! My speech recognition test score was in the uppermost %'ile-range. All that, with bilateral, chronic tinnitus. I happily agreed to be fitted with custom ER-25 ear-plugs. I've used them religiously ever since.

Are my results typical for someone with "T?" No, although far more common than some would have you believe. So what. No matter how you "score" on the hearing tests, your mental-health doesn't have to be battered by so-called caregivers. On the contrary: If your results distress you, wouldn't it be best if you're consulting with a clinician who treated you kindly from the moment you signed in at the desk?!

Years later, issues pertaining to musician hearing-conservation/protection, tinnitus, hearing-loss, & psychology remain near & dear to my heart. Why? Because when I was terrified, people I trusted betrayed me. These clinicians broke their Oath to Do no Harm. They did an excellent job, however unwittingly, in scorching into my brain how NOT to treat a patient. No patient should ever be subjected to feedback the likes of "you asked for it" or "what did you expect, kid? Now learn to live with it."

It, therefore, pains me when clearly well-intending TB'ers give sound advice using alienating language. It defeats the purpose. This is especially true when you're attempting to reach very young (&/or defiant) players, for instance. It's particularly damaging when said players openly describe what ails them, & reach out for advice. That's what usually brings them to this thread. They're not here to argue with you. Even if they do, it's nearly-always because they're frightened & angry.

So, please, if you really want to help a player, how about replacing your "You are STUPID" with "It is STUPID."

Or, perhaps, ditch the "STUPID" entirely, in favor of an equally powerful but less derogatory word. That way, you'll be HEARD by far more people.

Thank you. That'll be all for a few years, probably. Well one more thing: Over time, my subjective T perception went from "severe" to "mild." This wasn't due to some snake-oil consumption. Rather, it was, in all likelihood, the result of "habituation." You see, when you no longer perceive a stimulus as a threat, well, your associated stress-level plummets. That "peace" allows the brain to "learn" to nearly ignore it, that T, as mere...noise.
 
I know I posted earlier in this thread, but it is worth posting again. I love my Musicians Ear plugs. I went to a ear/hearing specialist and asked for the musician ear plugs. I was give the choice between 9db, 15db and 25db filters. I also had the option to order more than 1 set of filters. They put a tiny cotton ball with a string on it into my ear and then filled my ear with foam. Slid the whole thing out and sent them off (I think to Westone in Chicago). 3 weeks later I had my 15db filtered ear plugs. They are fantastic. I take them everywhere there is going to be noise. I love them.
 
I have been through many pages of this thread and haven't seen anything dealing with the situation I face when we play. In addition to being the bass player in the band, I also sing lead vocals in about a third of our songs and sing the primary harmonies to about a third of the remaining songs. In other words, I sing a LOT when we play. lol

Are there any earplugs that would suppress the volume of our stage sound yet permit me to hear my vocals in the monitors? Or, must I simply resign myself to trying to set up an "in-ear" monitoring system on our old P.A.? Any advice along these lines would be greatly appreciated. <><Peace
 
Hey "Dadofsix" - I am being fitted next week for a pair of Etymotic 15db "Musician's Plugs." Here's a link to their site, along with FAQ and a grid that indicates vocalists use these plugs: Invalid Link Removed. I also sing a lot of backup high harmonies in my band (and an occasional lead) - so I'll need to be able to sing naturally and hear myself. The FAQ indicates that this is possible, as does that grid. Can't speak yet from experience, but it appears that this just lowers the stage volume across "all frequency levels" - so lowering the overall volume, without affecting the nuances of pitch. It appears that the key is the deep fit of these custom plugs into your ear canal, so that annoying "echo" effect is eliminated. We'll see... Hope this helps.