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Help Can't find a sensible diagram

May 9, 2008
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Ipswich UK
www.springvalestudios.com
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Proprietor Springvale Studios
I took my DSL 50 Guitard amp apart to repair it again!
when I had finished removing the heat cracked carbon tracked belton octal valve bases with the unusually small pcb footprint?, well what do you know the circuit board carbon tracked in sympathy between pin 2 and 3 so I cut down with a dremell tool till i found clean grp and built the board back up with resin and scrim you may wonder why I didn't just order a new populated PCB but then marshall haven't got round to quoting for one yet.
And I need my amps to eat so I then obtained some nice glazed ceramic octal sockets but of course they had sensibly widely spaced pins splayed out in such a manner as to proved a good percentage more clearance between the somewhat larger solder pins in the PCB but due to the tight pattern on the marshall TYPE 60 bd they had to be modified to conform to the belton socket pin size and placement, much twisting and fine pincer work to remove enough silver plated high quality socket pin to fit through the little holes the belton uses and got rid of the horrifically thermally poor components in the bias circuit exchanged the SAMWAH! lytic caps for proper Nichicon 105 degree rated caps oh and gave it a monster Sowter custom output trans cos the original one was leaking primary to ground a bit and in comparison to the one in my JCM 800 didn't look big enough to pull the skin off a rice pudding.
And my amps have to put up with jimmy hendrix clones all day every day as I operate a busy rehearsal facility and nothing puts up with abuse like my old hot rodded 800's or sounds better maybe when I get this fired up again and see if it keeps stable bias this time no more thermal runaway for me chaps!
Come with it hendrix clones! with your fuzz faces and still have the amp on ultra gain, dime'd just incase it stops feeding back you shall not destroy my
hopefully now bullet proof much repaired/modified DSL 50.
Unless of course an unsuspecting spider totally unaware of the dangers of high tension DC carelessly walks across the PCB and leans against pin 3 when all of a sudden a tentatively outstretched limb contacts pin two and ZAP his sad little shriveled carbonized body is stuck firmly to my PCB bridging ever closer until the point at which the tiny polyester resin strip insulating between the pins begins to carbonize and ht fuse will give up the will to live.
Perhaps I should fill the area under the valve base with silicon sealer to deter things getting in there but how good an insulator is that stuff long term?.


I was expecting to find an easy to read straightforward accurate diagram of the wiring connector number to connector number but no I cant find one.
Is this information top secret chaps?.
Where is it hidden and who do I have to kill or sleep with to get it.
:ninja:
 
I was expecting to find an easy to read straightforward accurate diagram of the wiring connector number to connector number but no I cant find one.
Is this information top secret chaps?.
Where is it hidden and who do I have to kill or sleep with to get it.
:ninja:

Does Invalid Link Removed help any?
 
And I need my amps to eat so I then obtained some nice glazed ceramic octal sockets but of course they had sensibly widely spaced pins splayed out in such a manner as to proved a good percentage more clearance between the somewhat larger solder pins in the PCB but due to the tight pattern on the marshall TYPE 60 bd they had to be modified to conform to the belton socket pin size and placement, much twisting and fine pincer work to remove enough silver plated high quality socket pin to fit through the little holes the belton uses and got rid of the horrifically thermally poor components in the bias circuit exchanged the SAMWAH! lytic caps for proper Nichicon 105 degree rated caps oh and gave it a monster Sowter custom output trans cos the original one was leaking primary to ground a bit and in comparison to the one in my JCM 800 didn't look big enough to pull the skin off a rice pudding.
Winner of the "Longest TB sentence of 2008" Award.
...didn't look big enough to pull the skin off a rice pudding.
Whatever that means.
 
Does Invalid Link Removed help any?
Lets see now! with my experience of Sandskrit with or without punctuation, looking in the middle of the diagram we have the hiroglyphic:
Con3->Con15
Con6->Con14
JCM-60-00
Which either means connector 3 on board JCM-61-00 connects to connector 15 on board JCM-61-00 and then Connector 6 on board
JCM-61-00 links to Connector 14 on board JCM-60-00.

OR maybe there is a different way to read it this, smacks of far to much punctuation for the number of descriptive words used.
To be certain of the wiring when confronted with this kind of obvious
obstructional policy when trying to get something clearly described
I dont have a problem with the drawing just this load of _.>con3>-
bollocks.
 
Hi.

I find the schematics easier to interpret than Your text, I still haven't been able to read (and I've tried) your original post let alone understand any of it. Perhaps it's just me.

By the looks of them, those schematics are most probably been drawn by an engineer, not by a tech, and to me (bEng Mech.) they are simple. Same as said before: source socket->destination socket and below is the destination PCB. By studying the circuit more closely it might be possible to find if there's any typos or errors. Those socket numbers aren't for techs, they are for the parts changers who don't need to understand the circuit.

Connectors like that aren't usually interchangeable without applied force; small tabs, slightly different shapes etc.

Just my 0.02€
Sam
 
Bump!
Nobody prepared to take a guess at what the Marshall engineer thought he might be trying to explain.

Nope, I've got nothing for you. Why not ask him directly though?

I've only worked on a couple of amps in that series. I remember having to use my scope to trace out things more than usual, and cussing a fair bit, but that's about it.
 
On closer inspection, I find the diagrams a bit hard to interpret too. It appears they have been copied between designs of different amps without changing the names of the connectors.

But I'd interpret it as CON3 on DL50-61-00 connects to CON15 on JCM2-60-00.
Cheers Mate! now the only problem is there is no con15 on my JCM2-60-00
 
Hi.

I find the schematics easier to interpret than Your text, I still haven't been able to read (and I've tried) your original post let alone understand any of it. Perhaps it's just me.

By the looks of them, those schematics are most probably been drawn by an engineer, not by a tech, and to me (bEng Mech.) they are simple. Same as said before: source socket->destination socket and below is the destination PCB. By studying the circuit more closely it might be possible to find if there's any typos or errors. Those socket numbers aren't for techs, they are for the parts changers who don't need to understand the circuit.

Connectors like that aren't usually interchangeable without applied force; small tabs, slightly different shapes etc.

Just my 0.02€
Sam
After a hard day soldering things back together at component level
within one damaged board, the last thing I have energy for is some smart alec with a degree who thinks I need to fully understand all
the undamaged parts at component level in order to time efficiently reassemble a system.
I am dyslexic, I want a photograph of a finite board and its connections to another board not a whole heap of icons and punctuation marks.
I only got an HNC in electronics back when -> stamped on anything internationally meant the property of a prison or government stock, as in Royal Navy broad arrow parts etc.
More lately its the "more than" symbol on a computer keyboard.
All the link wires are interchangeable plugs, except they are all different lengths and I did not see them removed.
And there is no Conn15 on either of the boards described.
So I wont be following the information we have from Marshall and other sources so far thanks all.
:ninja: