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Hey Dingwall Players

Ibanez are going fanned frets right now. Alas, only 5-6 string. Which means that they will surely be available in any shop from now on. So you can test drive if fanned frets are for you or not, without ever having to buy any Ibanez.

Anecdotal from another one trying out my 5er Dingwall at a local jam a couple of years back, when the Combustion just came out:

One of my jamming mates came up after a tune, from the back of the stage, and I just handed over the Combustion to him hanged it over his shoulders in a hurry. He didn't know what it was. It's a 5er. When he did look down, the dots and lines lined up as ususal. Now, a regular blues jam maybe not be the jam that challenges your skills or tricky parts on bass. But he played it while looking down on the neck. A consumate pro who didn't give and f* of what brands or bass he played on.

Now, two long songs later, he left it over to me again, and jumped down from the stage, and sat down at the coffe tables on front of stage, for the first time of the evening watching anything on stage from the audience point of view. When I started to play the next tune, I could see his jaw dropping when he stared at the bass he was just playing on and one could read the "What the f*...!?" expression on his face, and a huge laugh from him. Afterwards he came forth and asked a lots of questions, but the main thing, that he hadn't even tried to adapt. He was in awe. He didn't even notice it was a fanned fret when playing. He never heard of it before.

The only closest thing I can compare to is this:

a) It takes a lot longer to get comfy with a 5er if you've never played a 5er before, than getting used to fan fret. I mean a regular fretted 5er. If you just played 4ers before.

b) The fingering down at the first few frets, is comparable to fretting a fretless bass (regular frets or scaling so to speak). On a fretless you just have to spread the fingers a tiny bit more in order to press down at where the frets are really supposed to be, in order to play octaves, since you can't play "in between" the frets, you have to nail the exact spot. It's aikin to fanned fret fretting. Thus, I can guess that a fanned fret fretless (!?!?) would be something of a chore.
 
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I've been using a Super P5 as my main bass for a couple years now (best bass I've owned so far). The fanned frets are pretty easy to get used to. In fact, it didn't take me much time to get used to it. The only time you would have serious issues with it is if you did a lot of upper register chording which requires considerable stretching due to the fan. I don't do any of those so that's not an issue for that but if you do, it's something to consider.

The neck on my Super P5 is one of the most comfortable necks I've played so far, and it's pretty consistent throughout all the Dingwall basses I've had the pleasure of playing. I can't explicitly compare it with other boutique Ps since I've never owned any, but I do feel there is a level of clarity on my P that I haven't yet found on any other basses I've tried over the years, especially on the B string. I'm sure the fanned frets do contribute to this but the overall construction and the pickups/electronics are all top notch.

As some others have mentioned, you do need to understand that a 4 and 5-string bass will sound considerably different. I don't know whether this would help at all but for me, the Super P5 has a heavy, huge tone especially on the bottom end, while the Super P4 has a lighter, bouncier tone with a very punchy attack.
 
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I liked Honch's anecdote.

I got to try some Dingwalls a couple years back and didn't notice any trouble "adjusting" to the fanned frets nor the 37" length. However, since I'm so new to bass, I could understand someone with decades of experience getting a little concerned about "Dingwall adaptation".

I don't find adapting to 5ers to be particularly problematic when trying them in the music store, but definitely the 5th string is "more difficult" to adapt to than the fanned frets, for me.
 
I stopped at Guitar Center this weekend after rehearsal.
One of the guys working there is the same guy to whom I sold my beloved Peavey Classic 400.

We got to talking, Dingwall basses came up, and he expressed interest.
So I went out to my truck and grabbed my AB 1.5 -- he took one look and asked if he could play it.

His immediate comment -- first time ever laying hands upon a long-scale 5-string Dingwall -- was "your hands just know where to go..."

That echoes my experience with my first Dingwall, which I bought 11 years ago after 18 years of playing parallel-fretted basses.

So my feeling is; if you're thinking about the adjustment at all, you're overthinking it.
 
A couple weeks ago I was in the studio with a producer who's also a seasoned bass player. He's one of those "Fender Precision only" guys and seemed both curious and sceptic about my awkward looking basses.

I've had him try my SP5 in the control room for a bit - from the second he laid his hands on it he sounded great and didn't miss a single note.
 
If you aren't sure about the fanning both ways, but like the idea, Sheldon Dingwall about a dozen years ago fretted this neck for me to my specs, and I essentially have a P/J that is very versatile. If you don't need the B string, but occasionally need a low Eb or D, you could always put a Hipshot D-tuner on it as I did subsequent to the picture:

A Different Custom P-style Bass | TalkBass.com

After you pick it up and play it for one song, it kind of disappears into your ergonomics and there is no niggling, no fussing, no having to look at the fretboard, it just plays. Every rock and blues jam I take it to, the guys all want to take it home.
 
If you play old school bass there is literally no adjustment period, especially with a 4-string. You should be able to sit down and play it normally immediately. If there is an adjustment period, it is maybe 15 minutes. Lots of guys do not like plucking the B string so far from the bridge, but that isn't an issue on a 4 string and isn't nearly as bad on a short scale.

If you do chords, double taps, and harmonics then you will notice an adjustment period. On a 6-string 37" Dingwall you really notice a difference with these techniques.
 
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As some others have mentioned, you do need to understand that a 4 and 5-string bass will sound considerably different. I don't know whether this would help at all but for me, the Super P5 has a heavy, huge tone especially on the bottom end, while the Super P4 has a lighter, bouncier tone with a very punchy attack.

Punchy is exactly what I like. I understand the fanned-fret system was designed to enhance 5 & 6 string basses, but i'm just not a 5'er guy whatsoever. I have no use for the low B (or a high C) and the necks are just too fat for my liking.
 
Try the Ibanez basses first to check if fanned fret is your thing. That simple. ALAS! They only have 5ers. And to be slightly frank about it, I think it's there where it makes most sense. As fast as yo have these extended range (in tuning) instruments with more than 4 strings and 6 strings on guitar, there's actually a definitive need for it. On bass even moreso than any guitar. On a 4 string bass with say 34-36 scale , or even as shallow as 34-35 scale, you can be much better off using 4 strings but with a BEAD tuning.

Many folks I know, have stopped played 5 string basses, and went to fanned fret 4ers instead. And tune them in BEAD. Just like the other poster here said, that there's something to the wideness and unwieldiness of any 5er and 6er bass. Regardless of fan fret or not. Dingwalls super Ps and similar are from 32-35 (5 er), and 32 to 34 on fours. However, my personal opinion is that, if using a low E this scale will be sufficient enough, but for a low B, I would like to go a bit over 35" scale, even 36" if a low B should have perfect decay, sustain and pitch to it. 37" is a bit of a stretch but is worthwhile when comparing to the other strings. 32" scale on the g-string is a bit like a shortscale bass. Not quite but almost.
 
If you were prowling through the Dingwall owner's thread, you may have already seen this beauty that Sheldon made for me:

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Under all of that nice sonic blue paint is a swamp ash body. The bass weighs a whole seven pounds and three ounces. The neck carve is pure perfection. You are correct, it does not widen all that much. I measured it before I began this post - it is 2 1/4" at the body. Sheldon has been making his pickups in-house for some time now. One of his staff is a precision fanatic and surely offered his input during the development of the four and five-string P pickups. They use neodymium magnets and bring on the killer precision tones in spades, hearts, clubs, and diamonds. I like soloing the precision pickup on my Super J in active mode (Glockenklang pre set 'flat') and can attest that the NP-4 precision pickup sounds wonderful active or passive. If four-string precisions are your sonic 'weapon of choice', one of these is the last you'll need to invest in. Mine is in all ways, the most perfect precision that I've ever been privileged to play. :cool:
 
On a 4 string bass with say 34-36 scale , or even as shallow as 34-35 scale, you can be much better off using 4 strings but with a BEAD tuning.

This would be a consideration, but DADG. Again, I really don't have use for that low B due to the genre of music I play.
 
If you were prowling through the Dingwall owner's thread, you may have already seen this beauty that Sheldon made for me:

Under all of that nice sonic blue paint is a swamp ash body. The bass weighs a whole seven pounds and three ounces. The neck carve is pure perfection. You are correct, it does not widen all that much. I measured it before I began this post - it is 2 1/4" at the body. Sheldon has been making his pickups in-house for some time now. One of his staff is a precision fanatic and surely offered his input during the development of the four and five-string P pickups. They use neodymium magnets and bring on the killer precision tones in spades, hearts, clubs, and diamonds. I like soloing the precision pickup on my Super J in active mode (Glockenklang pre set 'flat') and can attest that the NP-4 precision pickup sounds wonderful active or passive. If four-string precisions are your sonic 'weapon of choice', one of these is the last you'll need to invest in. Mine is in all ways, the most perfect precision that I've ever been privileged to play. :cool:

WOW! Nice bass indeed. I'm sold!! Time to start saving my allowance :-)
 
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