High powered head

[lomo]

Simply, if he wants to be very loud-make the cab(s) a priority, with at least 500 watts. A good 810 or pair of 410s with 500-600 watts will smoke a 212 or 410 with 1000 watts. I love Mesa, but look at Hartke and Peavey for more cost effective stuff.

 

[ga_edwards]

It's technically a Behringer, but how does 3600w sound:

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[Bassmec]

Unless he wants the wattage because he is using cabs that like lots of power, like Acme or something with a 3015LF.

Sunn/Fender 1200s is top recommendation. Otherwise, look into pre/power amp rigs, Peavey IPR and preamp of choice, light and huge power.

So what's the difference?
Coupling inefficient cabs is just as productive as coupling efficient ones, Its about 3db a pop.
Thats like doubling your watts whatever they actually start at.
Less cabs and more watts never feels better to me.
Very high per driver displacement is synonymous with muddy sound in bass guitar, poor agility and midrange performance problems usually resulting in requiring separate midrange drivers and power consumptive passive crossover components, like large inductors.

 

[Mr. Foxen]

So what's the difference?
Coupling inefficient cabs is just as productive as coupling efficient ones, Its about 3db a pop.
Thats like doubling your watts whatever they actually start at.
Less cabs and more watts never feels better to me.
Very high per driver displacement is synonymous with muddy sound in bass guitar, poor agility and midrange performance problems usually resulting in requiring separate midrange drivers and power consumptive passive crossover components, like large inductors.

Double the cabs and you double the heaviest and bulkiest part of a rig. Kilowatt power amps weigh a few kilos, and doubling the power doesn't double the weight. Unless you are using valve amps for their tone, more speakers isn't the sensible way of increasing volume.

Pretty much all of the second bit is wrong. There is no reason why you shouldn't use a midrange driver for bass, and even if a crossover does consume power, if you have lots of power it isn't a problem. Agility isn't a very applicable word and I have no idea what you mean by it.

 

[RickenBoogie]

Power without adequet speakers is useless. Big volume requires big, multiple speakers.

 

[Muaguana]

+1 on the LH1000. Great amp for the price. I had an issue with mine when I first got it, and when I posted a thread on TB asking for help, Larry Hartke, himself, responded with his phone number. That's customer service for ya.

 

[Foz]

$1,700?

Might could do a decent pre, a fEarful 1515/66+1 and a Crown/QSC/Crest amp in the 2000 watt name plate range inside that budget. Nothing to sniff at by any account and not impractical to gig for a healthly lad who aims to misbehave.

 

[xgator4u]

Gallien-Krueger 2001 RB. That'll do the trick.

^ yup, correct answer.

 

[theAntihero]

+1 on the LH1000. Great amp for the price. I had an issue with mine when I first got it, and when I posted a thread on TB asking for help, Larry Hartke, himself, responded with his phone number. That's customer service for ya.

That is good customer service! Ill pass that along, my bassist will lke to hear that.

 

[rpsands]

Power without adequet speakers is useless. Big volume requires big, multiple speakers.

The first half is true, but the second half is a a bit misleading.

"Big volume" requires a combination of sensitivity and power handling sufficient to achieve "big volume."

In other words it depends on the speaker and its characteristics.

 

[theAntihero]

The first half is true, but the second half is a a bit misleading.

"Big volume" requires a combination of sensitivity and power handling sufficient to achieve "big volume."

In other words it depends on the speaker and its characteristics.

Its not necessarily a huge volume issue, its more a headroom issue, he needs a lot of headroom for the tone and his playing style.

 

[agedhorse]

It's technically a Behringer, but how does 3600w sound:

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For clarification and accruacy, per the manual, all power specs for this product are given as PEAK power which is 2X the RMS or continuous power.

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[Jim Carr]

I just moved from lead sled (74 lbs for 1200 watts @ 4 ohms of oceanic clean power), to a Mesa Boogie M9 Carbine (30 lbs for 900 watts of same). You should be able to find a used one for around $850. In the immortal words of Chef, (TB mod and Bass Gear Mag reviewer), "It can get stoopid loud!"

 

[Floyd Eye]

It's technically a Behringer, but how does 3600w sound:

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I have seen no positive reviews of this amp. I have also read that their listed wattage is BS.

 

[Lowtonejoe]

For clarification and accruacy, per the manual, all power specs for this product are given as PEAK power which is 2X the RMS or continuous power.

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Hmm....

I thought Peak power was 4 times RMS wattage and Program or Music power was 2 times RMS wattage??



Joe.

 

[HookerRoad]

This guy has been through the ringer with them and I don't think he will ever own another piece of their gear even if it was given to him.

Try out a VT pedal. If it meets his needs, buy it either new or used. Then find a qsc or crest amp and call it a day.

GK, Ashdown, GB. Hartkie are also really good and reliable choices. I would also look at Aguilar but I don't know what his budget is.

The sad part is I have a carvin B1500 head that I use as a backup. It's been perfect and I have used it a few times at outdoor gigs. The last three weekends I've had outside work and one weekendit was 102 in the shade. The head was perfect. It sucks that he got "the business" from Carvin.

Look around, he will find something that works for him.

Carvin rhymes with Starvin Marvin... which pretty much describes how anemic the company has become over the past few years with their QC. They've had to cut corners so much to compete with the robotic factories of Asia that Carvin is becoming a dirty word. I think it's over priced for what you get. They tried to sell me a replacement driver for a blown horn for $80. I got the same driver from Parts Express for $2.50.

I don't care who you are.... That just plain Blows!