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Hollow Body and Solid Body Bass on Producer's Mind

Discussion in 'Ask Justin Meldal-Johnsen' started by tyohars, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. tyohars


    Nov 11, 2016
    Hey Justin, I wanna ask you about hollow body sound in particular. So, I record something earlier this month. After the recording done, my producer give a suggestion that I need a hollow body bass to maximize my songs. Since you're famous as hollow body bass player and a producer, what sound is he after? I have Fender Precision with flats and Sire V7. Can I replicate the sound of hollow body bass with my arsenal? If it, how? Thank you before. Oh, this is the demo for my song (before I work with him). Thank you.
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  2. jmjbassplayer

    jmjbassplayer Justin Meldal-Johnsen Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 25, 2005

    Good bass playing, good tone on the demo. Your P w/ flats will get you 60% of the way there. But the rubbery, strong attack/quick decay, strong midrange, and short-scale/hollow body-specific harmonics will only come with...well, a hollow body. Even more so if it's short to medium scale. That's the stuff he's after, I'm guessing.

    Generally speaking, that breed of bass actually speaks more...it's less transparent, wide and pillowy...it tends to be more focused, pointy, and again: midrange-oriented. A decent example is me playing my 90's Guild Starfire with some very average D'Addario Chromes on it through a 90's B-15R on the Beck song "Paper Tiger". It's recorded with a 47 Fet and some dirty compression and the amp driven a bit. That combination of factors give it lots of personality, and of all all the factors, the biggest contributing factor is the bass.

    At this point, you should simply ask him for some specific references. Any good producer is obliged to provide those if they are making general comments...it's the support for the argument that's essential for mutual understanding and moving forward.

    Good luck,
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  3. tyohars


    Nov 11, 2016
    Thank you for the reply Justin. I'm going to ask him about it. And Paper Tiger is a very good example for me.
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  4. shriekback


    Nov 25, 2007
    Eugene, OR
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  5. Pep

    Pep Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2010
    Louisville, KY
    It’s sounds like you’re well on your way to finding a HB Bass. my only comment would have maybe he has something against P-Basses or perhaps he can’t mix them well.
  6. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    He said in the giant trainwreck of the previous thread he posted in Basses that this producer is very renowned in Indonesia and has produced hit records, so my guess is that's about as far from the reality of the situation as it gets.
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  7. jmjbassplayer

    jmjbassplayer Justin Meldal-Johnsen Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 25, 2005
    Perhaps. But in the absence of any other information, my reply to him presumed that he’s just dealing with a producer who knows his stuff, and who wants to hear a different sound/approach.
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  8. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Ya, I don't think there's a question that this guy knows his stuff. I thought it was a good suggestion he made for that song. But without knowing much more about him, I'm pretty sure he can mix a song with a bass part cut with a Precision just fine :D
  9. I just wanted to let you know that I like the song and your bass playing on it a lot.
    And I completly understand the producer point of view to try a hollowbody bass on this (and maybe other songs in your repertoire).

    I wish you all the best and lots of success with your music!
  10. Very cool bass part, thanks for sharing it here with that detail information.
  11. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    I just now realized that you probably thought I meant that what our OP told us about his producer having hit records in Indonesia was about as far from the situation as it gets. My fault for poor wording. I meant the idea that he can't mix a P bass well was probably about as far from the situation as it gets.
  12. tyohars


    Nov 11, 2016
    Hey Justin, this is the final product. Finally I used my P with flats here, what do you think about this?
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  13. @tyohars
    I am not Justin, but I like it.
    Given the video, I would rather have opted for an Ric-style bass ;)
    And I definitely would have used a different guitar (sound) - to my ears the one you used gets a little bit boring as the song moves on.
  14. tyohars


    Nov 11, 2016
    Thank you for your opinion. Yeah I love Ric, but it's almost impossible to get it in my country. Thank you for your suggestions, we'll try something different next.
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