How Do You Feel About This Ric Copy? MIJ Content...

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by RyanJD, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. RyanJD


    Apr 19, 2011
    It has no name on it, so I'm not sure what to think. It does appear to be MIJ due to the neck plate on the back.






    What would you pay for it? Assuming it was a decent player with a decent sound...
    $500? $400? $300?

    The dude who owns it doesn't know much about it, so I was hoping the TB experts could weigh in.

    Thoughts, opinions?
    How true is it to a real Ric?
    How do you feel about those pickups?

    I appreciate any and all responses.
  2. Aceonbass

    Aceonbass Commercial User

    Apr 10, 2004
    This looks like am Ibanez copy I had back on the 70s. It sounded more like my '76 P-bass. When I got my first real 4001, I had both in hand to compare. To be honest, it felt like junk. I wished I'd just saved the $300 it cost me towards my 78 4001, which cost me $650.
  3. Webtroll

    Webtroll Rolling for initiative

    Apr 23, 2006
    Austin, TX
  4. Abner


    Jan 2, 2011
    "Steel Adjustable Neck" plates points to Matsumoku, not Ibanez. Could have been any of a dozen names, inluding (but not limited to) Univox and Greco.
  5. MoJo1364


    Mar 22, 2013
    Definitely Matsumoku factory. I have owned many basses from them and have been Very happy with the sound and quality.
  6. groooooove

    groooooove Supporting Member

    Dec 17, 2008
    Long Island, NY
    there was a very similar looking one on my local craigslist recently for $400. it had a logo but i dont recall the name. i saw the listing the day it was posted (bc i check craigslist a bit too often) and by the time i emailed him it was gone.

    considering this has no logo, that can bring down the price. IF it plays and sounds good (i would expect it to) $300 ish i think is fair. maybe offer him $250.

    but it may play and feel like junk, too.
  7. If it plays good I would think you can't lose paying $300 or $400
  8. I had a univox stereo bass which was pretty good. After having bought a 4003, I can tell you the real thing is superlative.
  9. IPA

    IPA Supporting Member

    May 5, 2010
    I would play the everloving funk out of that. I love Japanese lawsuit-type copies.
  10. Gorn

    Gorn Supporting Member

    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
    I have an old MIJ jaco copy with the same neck plate. The headstock says "Pan".
  11. GM60466


    May 20, 2006
    Univox- maybe. Have fun with it.
  12. Greevus


    Apr 15, 2009
    If it's Matsumoku, it's probably built better and much easier to work with than a real Ric.
    I owned one real Ric in the mid '90s, and I would gladly pay $400 for a MIJ copy versus the current prices. I never got the hallowed tone out of mine either. If you want a Ric's looks, then get it. You could always get a real Ric pickup if you are after the 'sound'. I am convinced that the "sound" (Geddy/Squire) isn't easy to just obtain, and it is going to cost quite a bit and take some patience. This sunburst copy looks waaaaay cooler than the Mapleglo 4001 I had. Hated that thing, but still love to hear the vintage tones and they look cool as hell.
  13. Aceonbass

    Aceonbass Commercial User

    Apr 10, 2004
    Squire and Geddy's tones are completely different. Their basses were made ten years apart with completely different pickups, and they each use way different amp setups with completely different playing techniques. How can the Uncle Mat copy be easier to work on than a real Rick? The most problematic part, the bridge, is essentially the same. Adding Rick pickups isn't gonna get the sound either, since Ricks are all maple neck thru's and the copy is a bolt on neck to a body that's usually some kind of laminate top over who-knows-what wood. There have been some really good double truss rod, neck thru Rick copies, but this isn't one of them.
  14. mtwtrf


    May 6, 2013
    Philadelphia, PA
    Wow, I just checked an inflation calculator and the current buying power of $650 in 1978 is $2,429.49 today... So Ric has stayed pretty up to speed with all that, or done better, since some are going for $1,700ish on eBay.
  15. RyanJD


    Apr 19, 2011
    Hey guys, I'm going to check this out today.
    Thanks for all the replies.

    Just out of curiousity, to all your Matsumoku bass owners, is it possible that the serial number '764291' would indicate the year anywhere in it?
  16. RyanJD


    Apr 19, 2011
    I got it for $250. It feels good and seems solid.
    Will update later, if anyone is interested.
    woodyng2 likes this.
  17. I have a Univox that's extremely well-made, with perhaps better playability (for my hands) than my Ric. Sounds different, but mine has Bartolini replacement pickups.
  18. RyanJD


    Apr 19, 2011
    This thing is real nice. I'm going to keep it for a long time.

    The previous owner had some fish hooks in it in place of strap buttons.
    I used the handy old 'toothpicks and wood glue' method so I could install some new ones and it worked like a charm.

    I do have two questions though.
    Is there any place I can get a blank truss rod cover without have to send one in or a tracing?
    The original is missing, as you can see from the pictures.

    And then the bridge has that built-in mute thing, but it doesn't raise up high enough to be useful.
    Is there an easy fix for that? Just glue a chunk of wood under it or something?

  19. Snakeman1066

    Snakeman1066 Supporting Member

    Sep 17, 2007
    Central Valley
    more than likely this is a Penco Ric Copy

    Penco was a brand of guitars manufactured circa 1974 to 1978 in the same factory (Hoshino Gakki) in Japan as Ibanez and Greco guitars and was distributed by the Philadelphia Music Company on the East coast..

    they were sisters to the Greco line...

    i have one just like it that is sitting here waiting to go out to a fellow TB'er

    however it appears that the Bridge pickup is not original to the bass
  20. Steve Dallman

    Steve Dallman Supporting Member

    The bridge pickup is a Seymour Duncan Ric replacement. I have one.