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How Do You Provide Value as a Bass Player?

As we all know, the bass player tends to be "the guy in the back", and we're sometimes considered low-value, easily replaced by a MIDI box or the dreaded keyboard left hand.

How do you make yourself more valuable as a band member? Here are some of the things I do:
  • Prepare lead sheets for the songs (yes, bass players can actually read treble and bass clef;))
  • Manage the web site and band newsletter
  • Chase down venue owners for gigs
  • Sing backup
  • Always help carry the equipment
Any other ideas?
 
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In our original band we're all equal, and the songs we write sound anemic without my low rumbles :bassist:, as well as any other of our members contributions.

The writing part said ... i give rides and haul eqip in my hatchback, help with finding gigs, ordering cd's, social media, remaining positive and enthusiastic, & we roadie one for all, and generally each just do what needs doing. It's a team effort to create, play, and get our stuff out there!
 
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I usually pay people a lot of money to be allowed into their musical projects, and then a monthly fee for staying, additionally every time I make an error in my bass play I pay to the band's ticket piggy, as we call it.

I figure blackmailing would work fine as well, just be sure you have enough bad stuff on the other band members to be able to continuously blackmailing them, eventually you could hire a private detective for further details about their private life.

Seriously though, I don't really know what you are talking about.

I have always felt and been treated like I was an equal member of the bands I have been in.

And in my humble opinion that is the way it should be in a well functioning band.

If I should add something I do beside just playing the bass though I always wrote most of my own bass parts and further more otherwise contributed to the compositions and arrangements and even a bit to the lyrics in most of the musical projects I have been a part of.
 
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Always show up with a positive attitude. Always be the "glue" that holds things together both musically and in terms of other's personalities. It's a PITA, but if you are capable of it, you will be seen as an essential part of the project. If you meet resistance, get out. This kind of Value is perceived by others as either irreplaceable, or the opposite...
 
I think it's a matter of bringing a lot to the band that is hard to replace. For example, if I quit my own band, they would lose rehearsal space, gigs, PA, massive amounts of haulage I do, access to the network of musicians I've developed over the years, all the brand awareness and repeat clients, and the customer service element I seem to be able to do. They will have to pay web hosting, domain name, and marketing fees if they replace me. They will be sending people music all the time, which is the bane of my existence. Lots of tedium will land on their doorstep.

Interesting, I needed to hire a keyboard player a while ago. The keyboard player, when I called him, thought I was a guitarist or sax player or something, because when he balked at pay, he suggested we "replace the bass player with left hand bass on the keyboard to increase the musician pay". The fact that I had the client gave me the power to say "no" to replacing me with left hand bass..

The other thing is to write music the other musicians like, and provide lots of practical creativity to the band, about 1 hour or more of our set list are songs I have written. There are other innovations that make us a bit unique, that I think help as well, and I bring those to the band.

And by the way, always be improving as a bass player so people just want to play with you.

And last of all, keep working on those interpersonal skills. After early years (10 years ago) of being an over-achiever who ticked everyone off or had ideas that required the cooperation of other people, leading regularly to ticking off musicians, I seem to have reduced that significantly....here are a few principles..

1. If you ask someone to do something, make sure you wait for an answer. [Always ask people if they are willing to do such and such. Don't call and say "We need to do such and such". Never order people around unless all nice approaches have failed and the issue is dead critical to the success of the band, I only seem to have to do that once every 2 years].

2. Minimize telling people what to play or how to play their instrument. Rather than saying "You should do the solo section double time like they do on this recording. "

Say, "I'd like to see us pick up the energy after the solo. Listen to how this band does it. How about coming up with something that is our style, that really brings the song some contrast at this point".

3. Apply the four principles of transformational leadership.

1.Intellectual Stimulation -- challenge them to learn new skills, and model that behavior yourself (learning).

2.Individualized Consideration -- basically showing you care about the people in the group, they are important, they are valued for what they bring to the table.

3. Inspirational motivation -- for me this means having a pretty clear vision of what your band is, how it works, and the ability to tap into the passions of individual people. Set this up before you bring them on... I have a drummer who loves fusion and prog rock, but we are jazz, so when I write, I pull in elements from tunes he knows, but which fit the jazz tune. We talk prog rock all the time, share CD's, and there is talk of doing a few Tom Scott and other tunes from that era that he likes. Keyboard player likes traditional jazz, so we're always learning new Real Book tunes to expand the repertoire. But none of that is at the expense of my own vision of the band -- it's in concert with it.

4. Idealized Influence: Be someone other people would like to be. I don't really try to do that. I just try to be myself.

Not everyone can do all that in a way that is authentic, and for me it has taken a lot of work and falling down. And the last golden rule -- be prepared for anything to implode at any given time :)
 
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I think it's a matter of bringing a lot to the band that is hard to replace. For example, if I quit my own band, they would lose rehearsal space, gigs, PA, massive amounts of haulage I do, access to the network of musicians I've developed over the years, all the brand awareness and repeat clients, and the customer service element I seem to be able to do. They will have to pay web hosting, domain name, and marketing fees if they replace me. They will be sending people music all the time, which is the bane of my existence. Lots of tedium will land on their doorstep.

Interesting, I needed to hire a keyboard player a while ago. The keyboard player, when I called him, thought I was a guitarist or sax player or something, because when he balked at pay, he suggested we "replace the bass player with left hand bass on the keyboard to increase the musician pay". The fact that I had the client gave me the power to say "no" to replacing me with left hand bass..

The other thing is to write music the other musicians like, and provide lots of practical creativity to the band, about 1 hour or more of our set list are songs I have written. There are other innovations that make us a bit unique, that I think help as well, and I bring those to the band.

And by the way, always be improving as a bass player so people just want to play with you.

And last of all, keep working on those interpersonal skills. After early years (10 years ago) of being an over-achiever who ticked everyone off or had ideas that required the cooperation of other people, leading regularly to ticking off musicians, I seem to have reduced that significantly....here are a few principles..

1. If you ask someone to do something, make sure you wait for an answer. [Always ask people if they are willing to do such and such. Don't call and say "We need to do such and such". Never order people around unless all nice approaches have failed and the issue is dead critical to the success of the band, I only seem to have to do that once every 2 years].

2. Minimize telling people what to play or how to play their instrument. Rather than saying "You should do the solo section double time like they do on this recording. "

Say, "I'd like to see us pick up the energy after the solo. Listen to how this band does it. How about coming up with something that is our style, that really brings the song some contrast at this point".

3. Apply the four principles of transformational leadership.

1.Intellectual Stimulation -- challenge them to learn new skills, and model that behavior yourself (learning).

2.Individualized Consideration -- basically showing you care about the people in the group, they are important, they are valued for what they bring to the table.

3. Inspirational motivation -- for me this means having a pretty clear vision of what your band is, how it works, and the ability to tap into the passions of individual people. Set this up before you bring them on... I have a drummer who loves fusion and prog rock, but we are jazz, so when I write, I pull in elements from tunes he knows, but which fit the jazz tune. We talk prog rock all the time, share CD's, and there is talk of doing a few Tom Scott and other tunes from that era that he likes. Keyboard player likes traditional jazz, so we're always learning new Real Book tunes to expand the repertoire. But none of that is at the expense of my own vision of the band -- it's in concert with it.

4. Idealized Influence: Be someone other people would like to be. I don't really try to do that. I just try to be myself.

Not everyone can do all that in a way that is authentic, and for me it has taken a lot of work and falling down. And the last golden rule -- be prepared for anything to implode at any given time :)
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well...

i figure the biggest contribution the bassist makes to _most_ ensembles is to "glue" all the other musical elements into a cohesive whole--melodically, harmonically, and rhythmically.

that takes a ton of _listening_ to everything going on, and the restraint needed to meaningfully _serve the song_.

in my book, that's a substantial contribution!
 
I sing and play, sing things others can't, add BV to support other singes, i learn my parts and don't noodle during songs (well, mostly never but not always never )...I try not to suck and don't (well, mostly never but not always never)
 
As we all know, the bass player tends to be "the guy in the back", and we're sometimes considered low-value, easily replaced by a MIDI box or the dreaded keyboard left hand.

How do you make yourself more valuable as a band member? Here are some of the things I do:
  • Prepare lead sheets for the songs (yes, bass players can actually read treble and bass clef;))
  • Manage the web site and band newsletter
  • Chase down venue owners for gigs
  • Sing backup
  • Always help carry the equipment
Any other ideas?
I drive us to gigs. Haul stuff. Keep time. Book gigs. Produce our recordings. I do stuff.
 
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